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thanks maryb.. i have enjoyed reading all the stuff about the suger idustry,, it was a bit horrific!!

i am now trying to track peter down so the information about the migration is a good one,, but surely he should be on a censsos somewhere? can find any trace of him at all?? marriage? wife?? mmmmmmm brothers sisters,, the list is endless.... mmmmmmmm got to be a link somwere,,

do you think i shoudl start another thread?? i got over hundred answeres on here!!

Nice one Elizabeth.

Maryb.

P.S I have been reading about the sugar bakers and their accidents,they were horrific.
After 1850 parishes East of Bremen Hannover became the main places most important for outmigration and one place Wehldorf was the where people mainly went to liverpool.
Before that the region between Lower Weser and Elbe River known as the Elbe-Weser Drieck was major area of origin for german migrants into the british sugar industry these places Also in Hannover.

Think I am now talking to myself :) but have found the death of mary ellen hagar in june 1932 :)

ok,,, so i am trying to find the death of the mother? mary ellen Hagar. Nothing coming up on annsestroy or GR? I am searching for her in her married name. I have also looked at the liverpool churches? but nothing.

The reason i am looking for it is becouse i have again found another family dispute. I was wondering if mary ellen left a will?? mmmmmmmm

mmmmmmm
help...driving me mad!
liz

thanks to your advice about ancestory site. I have news about my nans mothers side the robbinette side.

I think i have made contact with the robbinette side of the tree! some of you may go back a few pages and see someone posted that one of the children was alive from josphines marriage (hubby and wife died early and kids in care) Well the boy is still alive and part of his family have contacted me! whey hey. I am hoping to get my nan another side to speak to.

I am still amazed from about 3 weeks i have found out so much for my nan and to be in contact again with her family makes me smile,, thanks to all you lot for the kidness and patience! another link has been found.


but the quest contines still got to find peter!!
again liz

hi mary,, mmmmmmm it could be a good link,,,,as they could have written it wrong?

just heard the witness on the marriage certificate was
the witnesses are JohnTeale and Catherin Teale.

mmmmmmm interesting :)

1871 17,Myrtle Street Liverpool Mary ellen BURKLEY born @ 1854 in Liverpool a servant.
Could this be her?

Maryb

1871.. living with george and ellen Barkley???
Name Mary E Barkley
Age 21
Estimated Year of Birth 1850
Relationship to Head of Household DAUGHTER
Occupation ?
Address 10 Robert Terrace
District Toxteth Park, Toxteth Park
Parish
Administrative County Lancashire
Birth Place Liverpool
Birth County ?

1871.......
Name Mary Barkley
Age 15
Estimated Year of Birth 1856
Relationship to Head of Household DAUGHTER
Occupation EMPLOYED IN A SUGAR FACTORY
Address 48, Glatney Eplanck
District Guernsey and Adjacent Island, Guernsey and Adjacen
Parish
Administrative County Channel
Birth Place --
Birth County IRELAND


mmmmmmm could this be a link? but the birth country is wrong? but it does link to a suger factory! mmm or a red herrin

now that is painting a picture!
i cant find mary ellen in 1871.. was not with mum/dad only william and lydia with them.. she was not married until 1880 so not yet married??

so?? were was she??? mmmmmmmmmm could link to father of ada??

mmmmmmm plot thickens!

ok not related but on same street as john and mary ellen

1891 Address: 25, Benledi Street, Liverpool
52 WALLNUTT, Michael Head Married M 38 1853 Sugar House Labourer
Germany VIEW
52 WALLNUTT, Georgina Wife Married F 37 1854
Russia VIEW
52 WALLNUTT, Elizabeth A Daughter F 6 1885 Scholar
Liverpool
Lancashire VIEW
52 WALLNUTT, Mary Daughter F 5 1886 Scholar
Liverpool
Lancashire


1891 40, Benledi Street, Liverpool
BARKLEY, William Head Married M 69 1822 Mariner
Liverpool
Lancashire VIEW
12 BARKLEY, Ellen Wife Married F 70 1821
Nottingham


interesting

found him in 1901
in 1901 was living at 60 latimer street as was listed as ECKLE born in 1842? in germany he was 59
was with the rest of the family,,,,



thanks maryb I had emailed her about the certificate :)

mmmmm

ditch that

1891

Address: 14, Orbel Street, Battersea
ECKERT, Johanna Head Widow F 47 1844 Living On Own Means
Germany VIEW
ECKERT, Monica Daughter Single F 18 1873
Pimlico
Middlesex VIEW
ECKERT, Frederick Son M 8 1883 Scholar
Battersea
Surrey

This is one to puzzle over

It has been bugging me that we have not found John/Johan in 1901 if he did not die til 1916.


I have just come across this one previously discarded as female


On looking at the original document gender is not mentioned


just head and WID



1901
Address: 63, Cheverton Road, Islington
ECKERT, Johannah Widow F 59 1842 Living On Own Means
Germany

Joan Hagar told me,as I had been intouch with her regarding your family.

There was a Peter Eckhoff in London born Germany 1851 census,he was a sugar baker but unmarried
Maryb

marb.. thanks for the info about the marriage certificate.. how did you find that out!!

christine,, thanks for the link. Its turning into a very intersting search.. may prove to be the end of the road if we cant find him!

going to see if i can find the dad? maybe he was in london?? from germany and then came to liverpool?? mmmmmmm shot in the dark,, just writing out loud!

again liz

http://home.clara.net/mawer/loc-liverpool.html

a liverpoolmap of sugarbakers

This is where I looked for sugar workers. I discounted at this stage as most of the similar names were linked with London


http://home.clara.net/mawer/sugarmmey.html

Mary Ellen was down as a spinster on her marriage certificate.

Maryb

hi mary did a further check on the name you mentioned think its got links to holland? mmmmmm

In reards to famuly gossip and heresay they have said they think it was a prussion link?? we know that john was from hannburg but his family???
""Prussia (German: ); Latin: Borussia, Prutenia; Latvian: Prūsija; Lithuanian: Prūsija; Polish: Prusy; Czech: Prusko; Old Prussian: Prūsa; Hungarian: Poroszország) was a historic state originating out of the Duchy of Prussia and the Margraviate of Brandenburg.

This state had for centuries substantial influence on German and European history. The last capital of the state of Prussia was Berlin.""

again parking this on the post so i can have a think about it and research. a few prussions on the sugar lists??
mmm going to have my tea naput the kids to bed!
liz