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1891
32, Benledi Street, Liverpool
9 ECKHART, John Head Married M 49 1842 General Labourer
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9 ECKHART, Mary E Wife Married F 36 1855
Liverpool
Lancashire VIEW
9 ECKHART, Ellen Daughter F 8 1883 Scholar
Liverpool
Lancashire VIEW
9 ECKHART, Peter Son M 6 1885 Scholar
Liverpool
Lancashire VIEW
9 ECKHART, Hannah Daughter F 4 1887
Liverpool
Lancashire VIEW
9 ECKHART, William H Son M 2 1889
Liverpool
Lancashire VIEW
9 ECKHART, Lidia Daughter F 0 1891
Liverpool
Lancashire

Not there in 1881 though.

not in 1901 either

On Ancestry.co 1981 Mary ellen Ekho,John and Ada at 19,Vescox Street,Liverpool
1891 They are down as Eckhs but looking at the original it says Eckho
32,Benledi St,Liverpool.
No sign either in hagar name or other.

They probably hadn't changed their name before 1890 as henry was born 1898 under the name Eckho according to Ancestry.

Maryb

Strange about that,I have just read about Lydia's baptism, being Hagar.

Maryb

whey hey hey!! well done you christine!!! hey hey i am dancing around the living room :) I just cant stand it when cant find the informaton!

in regards to the years they were at benledi street.

I am a tentative link to a 4 arlington street? 31/12/84 a thomas henry ehiem?? somthing like that was the child of john and mary ellen He was born 14/11/1884?? again dont have a record of a thomas at all so may have to park this one?

Also another john ehelem?? sothing like that again child of john and mary ellen but he was born 06/4/1887 and christened 16/04/1887 now they were living at tatlock stret? and a carpenter?? think this one is not right or linked?? i

right i go back and update some of the names!!
geat stuff!
liz

mmmm.. the plot thickems// i do searches for eckhart and they are now in devon... mmmmmmm the fact i live in devon! hahah weird...

so i have to establish when the name changed and to what? would their be court records? or them days did they just change it?

again liz

Normally the name on your birth certificate has to be the same on your marriage certificate ie Johan Eckeho should be the correct spelling,but would have got written down in various other ways.

I did she some one in london from germany with the surname Hagar so maybe that name also was german.
Still can't find any of them in whatever name for 1901.

Maryb

1911 census they were at 31,Boyd St,Everton liverpool.
John,mary e Ellen,hannah,William,Lydia and henry all there.
They certainly moved about on henry's war records mary Ellen widow at 5,Daniel Street.
Its annoying me that i can't find 1901 records for them.

Maryb

Mary - "Normally the name on your birth certificate has to be the same on your marriage certificate".

This was actually never the case - what the name on your marriage cert HAS to be is your legal name. Normally, this is the name on your birth certificate, but if you've legally changed it, e.g., by starting to call yourself by another name without any fraudulent intention, then you should use your new legal name.

Thanks ann,, you seem to have found them more than me!!! but its still weird why we cant find them in 1901?? Must be some secret :)

I have got some pictures today from my nan. I am still searching for both names. I would like to know why and when he came to britain. I have found haga in america and they say its of german line? but no real firm stuff about my line.

A bit frustrated!

My nan has also sent me some photos of her mother Evelyn robinette (edna) and her sister josophine. It sort of brings my tree to life :) How fantastic i started this when my grandparents are alive :)

right back to google.. why oh why cant we find them in 1901?? what was happening in 1901?? in liverpool??

again liz

I have just had a though after googling and finding that in 1890 to 1911 liverpool went througha slums regeneration program. Massive amount of houses were build to house the familys in the slums.. I am thinking,, would a german family be given a house? if they were not from england? did they have to have a points system??

Maybe to get out of the slums they changed their name? though they would get more points? Thay said he was fram hanover.. haga??.. think i am clutching at straws with this one but it is killing me,, why change to haga and why? change... just writing out loud with this one :)))
back to google I go :)
thanks liz

ok i may have found something but not sure its relevant. I found a john Eckhard at age 48? were in 1901!!?? a convict! at grove portland dorset. He is classed as married?? but the only ting that dont mach is that he was a south african british national. i was wondering did the family move to devon? to be near dad??

mmm going to park this one :)

again liz

I am musing a little

I wonder how echeho was pronounced

If the ech was one gutteral sound would we end up which woul sound something like Hagar to an English ear.

Any German experts on here?

ooooooooooooo,,, now saying it out loud,, !! we must be some german experts?? on here?

Try putting a request on tips for someone who can speak German to come to this thread and take a look.

This is the address for this thread so quote it

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1168718&px=5

thanks christine, i have just done the thread.. the plot is thickening. I have spoke to another family member about John hagar and she has said family rumour is that he was an illegal imagrant? so thats why the change of name. Also rumours the line was linked to prussion?? but all rumours,,,, and nothing solid,,, will have to get his marriage certificate i think!! that may do it,,?? finding a birth certificate?? german on the censsors?

mmmmmmmm i am going to bed!
again liz

1901 at 60 Latimer Street:

1901 England Census
about John Eckle
Name: John Eckle
Age: 59
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary E
Gender: Male
Where born: Germany
Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin in the Fields
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 146
Household Members: Name Age
John Eckle 59
Mary E Eckle 46
Ellen Eckle 18
Peter Eckle 16
Annie Eckle 14
William Eckle 12
Lydia Eckle 10
Henry Eckle 2

Rose

That looks good Rose






Now calm down Elizabeth

Thank you so much rose!! you a star. This looks a good link becouse william born 1886 i think died in 1889ish
hannah also died young
ada 1881-1882
john hagar 1893-1899

so it does look like this is the family :) whey hey!!! thank you so much.

I am not going to try and find john eckle before he got married!! that should be fun!

thanks again