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30 Jul 2009 20:51 |
Hi I have found my great grandma Dora L Hogg on the 1901 census. She was born in Cobourg in Canada and that is all I know about her. How do i apply for a birth certificate from Canada? I am new to reaserching my family tree and I have no surviving grandparents from this side of the family so need to find out her maiden name first.
Hop someone can help Jane
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MargaretM
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30 Jul 2009 21:42 |
Did you find her on the 1901 census in Canada or England?
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MargaretM
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30 Jul 2009 21:51 |
Do you mean Clara L. Hogg? 1901 census The Oaklands, North Rode, Macclesfield, Cheshire Clara L. Hogg, head, widow, 53, living on own means, born Coburg, Canada Ethel L. Hogg, dau, 25, born Cheshire, North Rode George P. Dainty, nephew, 30, living on own means, born Coburg, Canada Annie Yates, niece, 39, born Canada Plus 2 servants.
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30 Jul 2009 21:58 |
1891 census Oaklands, North Rode, Cheshire James Hogg, head, 60, retired East Indies merchant, born Cheshire, Congleton Clara L., wife, 43, born Canada George D., son, 18, born London, Paddington Reginald O., son, 16, born Cheshire, North Rode Plus 3 servants.
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Vera
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30 Jul 2009 22:01 |
Marriages Dec 1871 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Daintry Clara Louisa Macclesfield 8a 245 Hogg James Macclesfield 8a 245
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MargaretM
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30 Jul 2009 22:09 |
On the 81 census she's Clara Louisa.
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mgnv
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30 Jul 2009 22:16 |
The answer, eventually, will be: http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/english/family-history/the-records.aspx
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mgnv
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30 Jul 2009 22:24 |
http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/ Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1871 to 1875 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference HOGG James DAINTRY Clara Louisa North Rode, St Michael Cheshire East 1067/1/56
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Vera
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30 Jul 2009 22:28 |
1871 Canadian census
George R Daintry initial should read P Gender: Male Age: 2m Birth Year: abt 1871 Birth Place: Ontario religion: C England Origin: English Province: Ontario District: Northumberland West District Number: 54 Division: 1 Subdistrict: Cobourg Subdistrict Number: b Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age John Daintry 38 Sarah L Daintry 31 >>>>>>>>>>George R Daintry 2m Ann Munly 30 Hannah Sowden 18
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Vera
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30 Jul 2009 22:31 |
1891 Canadian census
George Percival Daintry Gender: Male Marital Status: Single Age: 20 Birth Year: abt 1871 Birthplace: Ontario Relation to Head of House: Son religion: Church of England French Canadian: No Father's Birth Place: England Mother's Birth Place: Ontario Province: Ontario District Number: 99 District: Northumberland West Subdistrict: Cobourg Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age John Daintry 58 Sarah L Daintry 50 >>>>>George Percival Daintry 20 Louise Clara Daintry 18 Edith Frances Daintry 16 Lilian Emily Daintry 11 Ann Munley 56 Regards Vera
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Vera
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30 Jul 2009 22:38 |
Jane, So far I cannot find a birth for Clara L Daintry /Dainty born 1848/1849 in Canada. Regards Vera
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MargaretM
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30 Jul 2009 23:31 |
Footnote 2: George Smith Daintry was born on the 12th August 1810 in Macclesfield Cheshire to John Smith Daintry and Elizabeth (nee Ryle), and was the youngest of 8 children. (Note that his middle name (Smith) was his grandmother's maiden name.) His father, and his father before him, were silk manufacturers in Macclesfield and in 1810, the family along with their in-laws formed a Bank called Daintry Ryle. Unfortunately in 1825 a ban was lifted on the import of silk into the UK and the silk industry and the bank collapsed.
George sailed for New york with his wife (Mary Hodges) and young family in 1842. The ship's document states his destination as 'Cobourg'.
While in Cobourg, G.S. Daintry and his family lived at The Poplars, 18 Spencer Street. They had nine children. The oldest son John, took over the estate in 1869 when his father returned to England. John was educated at Upper Canada College and trained as a survyor. He was for a time, Captain of the ferry boat "Rochester" which his father owned. One of the daughters of John and his wife Louisa married Henry Fitzhugh. Another daughter, Lillian, married Sam McDougal, son of Lorne McDougal, one time Solicitor General. Miss Louise Daintry, another daughter, lived in the Poplars until her death in the early 1940's.
John Smith died in 1848 intestate, and due to family arguments, and complications surrounding debts owed by the bank, the probate was not administered until 1866 by which time George Smith Daintry was the only son left alive, and therefore inherited what was left. Every single penny John Smith owed due to the bank collapse was re-paid earning him the title, 'Honest John'. Although the family fortune was much diminished, the UK census of 1881 shows that shortly before he died, G.S, his wife Mary Ann and their son George Charles Daintry (B. Cobourg 1846), were living in the family home at North Rode with 6 servants. George Smith Daintry died, May 7th, 1881.
Some of above from Ursula Hardaker - a descendant
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MargaretM
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30 Jul 2009 23:40 |
A photo here of Edith Daintry Fitzhugh, daughter of John Daintry & Louisa Beatty. (John being a brother of your Clara Louisa?)
http://images.ourontario.ca/Cobourg/details.asp?ID=19505
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mgnv
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31 Jul 2009 01:31 |
Check out the Cheshire stuff at: http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=allCollections;r=1
There's multiple Daintry records (with images) - a few given below:
Name: John Smith Daintry Burial place: North Rode, Cheshire, England Burial date: 26 May 1848 etc Image number: 12 Film number: 1647668 Reference number: item 1 Digital GS number: 4008156 Collection: Cheshire, Church of England Burial Records 1538-1907
Name: Thomas Ryle Daintry Burial place: North Rode, Cheshire, England Burial date: 23 Sep 1859 etc Image number: 28 Film number: 1647668 Reference number: item 1 p 7-8 Digital GS number: 4008156 Collection: Cheshire, Church of England Burial Records 1538-1907
Name: George/Smith Daintry Christening place: Christ Church, Macclesfield, Cheshire, England Christening date: 19 Sep 1813 Father's name: John/Smith Daintry Mother's name: Elizabeth/Smith Daintry Gender: Male Image number: 230 Film number: 1647519 Digital GS number: 4011816 Collection: Cheshire, Church of England Christening Records 1538-1907
Name: James Hogg Titles: Event place: Congleton Place type: Township Registration year: 1884 Film number: 1544532 Digital GS number: 4019297 Image number: 1826 Collection: England, Cheshire, Register of Electors 1842-1900
The actual image reads: Abode=North Rode, Congleton Qual=freehold ground rent Addr=The Foaming Quart public house, and house adjoining in John street
[great sounding pub]
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mgnv
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31 Jul 2009 03:31 |
A general purpose link: http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/index-e.html
Earliest census was: 1842 Cobourg (Town) District: Newcastle District (#) / Sub-District: () Microfilm: LAC: C-1344; LDS: 281226 Item 7
You'ld have to rent the LDS film to see this, I think.
1851 Cobourg (Town) Agricultural District: Northumberland (#24) / Sub-District: Cobourg (233) Microfilm: LAC: C-11740; LDS: 349226 Personal census has been lost, all that remains is the Agricultural Census
Look up Vera's 1891 census at: http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/census-1891/index-e.html Click on say, pdf, then full screen, then save
1901/1911 is searchable at: http://automatedgenealogy.com/census/index.html [For 1901, transcribed as Lantry]
Alt: http://ontariocensus.rootsweb.ancestry.com/onlinecensus.html 1901 Cobourg (Town), Northumberland County Copyright (c)2005, Craig Kanalley, OntarioGenWeb's Census Project (http://ontariocensus.rootsweb.ancestry.com) Transcriber: Craig Kanalley Proofreader: Tanna Allan LAC # T-6486 LDS # 1843568 District: Northumberland West District No: 96 Sub-District: Cobourg (Town) Sub-District No: b Page(s):
DIV PG LN HN FN LAST_NAME FIRST_NAME SEX COLOUR RELATIONSP MARITAL BIRTH_DATE BIRTH_YR AGE BIRTHPLACE IMMIGRT_YR NATURAL_YR ORIGINS NATIONALITY RELIGION OCCUPATION REMARKS STREET NAME 1 3 8 24 24 Damtry (?) Laura F W Head W November 29 1840 60 Ontario Irish Canadian Church of England R. King 1 3 9 24 24 Damtry (?) Laura F W Daughter S May 19 1872 28 Ontario English Canadian Church of England King 1 3 10 24 24 Damtry (?) Lillian F W Daughter S July 12 1879 21 Ontario English Canadian Church of England King 1 3 11 24 24 Liscomb Roda F W Domestic S August 12 1872 29 Ontario English Canadian Presbyterian King
Look up 1901 at: http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/census-1901/index-e.html to get to: http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1901/z/z002/z000088063.pdf http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1901/z/z002/z000088057.pdf [a 9 room wood-frame house. Laura owns 35 ac, 1 town lot, 0 houses, 10 barns, sheds, etc - presumably this house on King St is rented then]
The standard LDS site has: 1881 Household: Name Marital Status Gender Ethnic Origin Age Birthplace Occupation Religion John DAINTRY M Male English 48 England Civil Engineer Church of England Sarah L. DAINTRY M Female Irish 41 O Church of England Percival G. DAINTRY Male English 10 O Church of England Louise C. DAINTRY Female English 9 O Church of England Edith DAINTRY Female English 7 O Church of England Lilian E DAINTRY Female English 2 O Church of England -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Census Place Cobourg, Northumberland West, Ontario Family History Library Film 1375876 NA Film Number C-13240 District 124 Sub-district D Division 2 Page Number 43 Household Number 229+
To get the image, we can look this up at: http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/census-1881/001049-100.01-e.php to get: http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e328/e008178076.pdf
Using the AG URL given earlier, we find:
1911 Census of Canada Home / 1911 / Ontario / Northumberland West / 25 Cobourg / page 9 split view 39 108 Daintry Sarah L. F Head W Nov 1842 68 40 108 Daintry Clara L. F Daughter S May 1873 38 41 108 Daintry Lillian F Daughter S Jul 1880 31 42 108 Watt Mary F Maid S Jan 1888 23
Clicking on the split view link gives the image, but I've never saved AG images satisfactorarily, so: http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/census-1911/index-e.html to get: http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e002007272.pdf
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~maryc/cobourg.htm Octavious GATES (or Yates), 32, USA, Kingston, s/o William & Hannah, married Elizabeth DAINTRY, 24, England, Cobourg, d/o George S. & Mary, witn: George S. DAINTRY & W. Irvine STANTON, both of Cobourg, 29 July 1858 This, presumably, has relevance for the 1901 CHS census MargaretM posted.
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~onvsr/deaths.htm DAINTRY, John, m, June 6, 1899, 67 years, England, cause - complication with Bright's disease, fatty degeneration of the heart, infm - W.J. Douglas, Cobourg (Northumberland Co) 018479-99
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31 Jul 2009 12:17 |
I've never checked out http://www.ontariogenealogy.com/ but it looks interesting.
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MargaretM
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31 Jul 2009 15:04 |
Never heard of being able to download Canadian certificates.
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Vera
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31 Jul 2009 16:31 |
Where are you Jane?
Regards Vera
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MargaretM
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31 Jul 2009 16:54 |
Just thinking the same thing, Vera, where's Jane? We've found a ton of info re: Clara, but she was looking for Dora!
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Vera
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31 Jul 2009 17:10 |
..am wondering if she meant Clara....hopefully when she returns we will find out :-))
Regards Vera
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