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Hi Lorraine,
Thank you for finding David Jones on the Canadian Soldiers of WW!. Sorry to bother you again, but I have tried to look this up on canada collections online but don't seem to be able to navigate the site. Could you give me a few pointers as to how to get to these records please?

Anne

n

great find, thanks.

Glad i now know what happened to them all.

Thanks so much,

Caroline

mary

your welcome

if you want any more info on them let me know

lorraine

caroline

found them coming back

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
about J Shelley
Name: J Shelley
Birth Date: abt 1847
Age: 45
Port of Departure: Quebec, Canada
Arrival Date: 21 Jun 1892
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Montreal
Ship Name: Sardinian
Search Ship Database: View the 'Sardinian' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Allan Line
Official Number: 71695

with
mrs shelley aged 43
children
john aged 10
emma 9
amelia 7
george 6
victor 5
sarah 23
roland 21

so sarah did come back and so did rowland but he obviously went back to canada

Hi Lorraine, I hadn't noticed all the other info. you posted (was so excited I didn't look properly) that is absolutely fantastic.

A thousand thanks

Mary

Lorraine, that is marvellous, I will apply for birth cert.

Many, many thanks



Mary

mary


you probably have the marriage but will add just in case

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Mary Ann Nelmes
Name: Mary Ann Nelmes
Year of Registration: 1858
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Clifton
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 258

William Maggs


possible for birth only way to check would be send for the cert though

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Mary Ann Nelmes
Name: Mary Ann Nelmes
Year of Registration: 1838
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Gloucester (1837-1937)
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 11
Page: 329

possible for sons birth

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about William George Maggs
Name: William George Maggs
Year of Registration: 1858
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Clifton
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 64

with parents in 1851

1851 England Census
about Mary Ann Nelmes
Name: Mary Ann Nelmes
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: Clifton
Town: Clifton
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Clifton
Sub-registration district: Clifton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1j
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 40
Household Members: Name Age
George Nelmes 45
Ann Nelmes 42
Mary Ann Nelmes 13
Thos A Nelmes 11
William Nelmes 9
Rosine Nelmes 8
Edwin Nelmes 6
Emma Nelmes 2


1871

with husband

1871 England Census
about Mary Ann Maggs
Name: Mary Ann Maggs
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Kingstanley, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish: Clifton
Ecclesiastical parish: Clifton
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Clifton
Sub-registration district: Clifton
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 170
Household Members: Name Age
William Maggs 40
Mary Ann Maggs 33
William Maggs 12
Alice Maggs 8


in 1901 mary is a widow living with daughter alice and her family


1901 England Census
about Mary A Maggs
Name: Mary A Maggs
Age: 64
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Mother-in-law
Gender: Female
Where born: Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: Bristol
Ecclesiastical parish: Clifton Holy Trinity
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Bristol
Sub-registration district: Clifton
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 128
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Perry 38
Alice Perry 38
William C Perry 12
Alice R Perry 11
Edith M Perry 9
Sidney T Perry 6
Ernest Perry 4
Gladys Perry 3
Leslie H Perry 6 months
Mary A Maggs 64


charles born glamorgan wales

Thanks for all the updates, very enlightening. That does look like my John and a nice new bit of info. for me.

I have them all on the 1901 census in Kent, except for Rowland who we've sorted and Sarah E Shelley.

Been struggling finding her as she could have married but have no idea who.

Am keen to know if theres a record of them travelling back to the UK between 1890 when Alice died in Canada and 1901 when they are back in the census in Kent.

I'm hoping it could show if Sarah was with them and if not she may have stayed in Canada.

Thanks again, sorry for all the long searches but this has helped me loads after a patch of being stuck on this family.

Hi Lorraine, yes that's my Mary Ann, didn't know she had a son William, so thank you so very much for that.

Now it has her birth place as Kingstanley, Gloucester and I'm sure that must be correct. Her maiden name was Nelmes with a father George and a mother Ann, would you mind having a look for me please.

Regards


Mary

mary

the closest if could find is this one although it says born gloucester

what was her maiden name?

1861 England Census
about Mary Ann Maggs
Name: Mary Ann Maggs
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Kingstanley, Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: Clifton
Ecclesiastical parish: Clifton
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Clifton
Sub-registration district: Clifton
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 95
Household Members: Name Age
William Maggs 31
Mary Ann Maggs 23
William G Maggs 2

caroline continued

sorry its in dribs and drabs

found this for a john robson shelley

quite an unusual middle name so possibly yours

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
about John Robson Shelley
Name: John Robson Shelley
Birth Date: abt 1884
Age: 38
Port of Departure: Zanzibar, Tanzania
Arrival Date: 22 Jan 1922
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Mombasa, Aden
Ship Name: Carisbrook Castle
Search Ship Database: View the 'Carisbrook Castle' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Union-Castle Mail Steamship Company Ltd
Official Number: 108351

gives his intented address as 14 percy road leytonstone

occupation independant
last country of residence is kenya

what other child is it your looking for who you think may have stayed in canada

Thanks again Lorraine for the quick updates. I found a birth yesterday for an Alice Shelley that seems to match up will go check the details.

Looks like Emma is listed as Emily and is the right age so is them. This detailed research is great. Been stuck for a while as to what they did in Canada and when they went this is great new information for me.

Caroline

CAROLINE CONTINUED

childrens births in canada



Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1909
about Victor Shelley
Name: Victor Shelley
Date of Birth: 24 Jul 1887
Gender: Female
Birth County: Oxford
Father's Name: Joseph Shelley
Mother's Name: Ruth Muston
Roll Number: MS929_83

Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1909
about John Robson Shelley
Name: John Robson Shelley
Date of Birth: 19 Feb 1885
Gender: Male
Birth County: Oxford
Father's Name: Joseph Shelley
Mother's Name: Ruth Murton
Roll Number: MS929_72

pretty sure this is the family going to canada

it gives wifes name as sarah rather than ruth but all the children fit apart from an extra alice

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
about Joseph Shelley
Name: Joseph Shelley
Gender: Male
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Date of Arrival: 7 Sep 1884
Vessel: Sarmatian
Search Ship Database: View the 'Sarmatian' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec, Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England; Londonderry, Ireland
Roll: C-4534

travelling with
wife sarah aged 34
children
rowland aged 11
sarah 9
amelia 5
george 7
alice 3
emily an infant

josephs occupation is labourer

final destination is quebec

looks like alice died in ontario

Ontario, Canada Deaths, 1869-1934
about Alice Shelley
Name: Alice Shelley
Death Date: 24 Jan 1890
Death Location: Brant
Gender: Female
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Birth Location: England

cause of death pnemonia

Thanks so much Lorraine, thats a great fast forward for my research.

I was sure one or two stayed but couldnt find out. In with all the family documents i also had an address in california but couldnt find a link so this fits it all together.

Will look forward to hearing anymore, if you can find it.

Caroline

caroline

just to confirm the 1891 canada

1891 Census of Canada
about Joseph Shelley
Name: Joseph Shelley
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 45
Birth Year: abt 1846
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Head
religion: Church of England
French Canadian: No
Father's Birth Place: England
Mother's Birth Place: England
Province: Ontario
District Number: 49
District: Brant South
Subdistrict: Brantford West
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Shelley 45
Ruth Shelley 45
Rowland Shelley 17
Sarah E Shelley 16
George Shelley 14
Amelia Shelley 12
Emma Shelley 8
John Shelley 6
Victor Shelley 3


1881 in uk before they went
says ruth was born in birmingham, rowland in hammersmith middlesex and the other children staffordshire

1881 England Census
about Joseph Shelley
Name: Joseph Shelley
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ruth
Gender: Male
Where born: Tamworth, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Kingswinford
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address: Commonside
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Brass Founder

Registration district: Stourbridge
Sub-registration district: Kingswinford
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Shelley 34
Ruth Shelley 35
Rowland Shelley 7
Sarah E. Shelley 5
George Shelley 3
Amelia Shelley 1


looks like rowland stayed and went to usa

Border Crossings: From Canada to U.S., 1895-1956
about Rowland Shelley
Name: Rowland Shelley
Arrival Date: Nov 1907
Age: 34
Birth Date: abt 1873
Birth Country: England
Gender: Male
Race/Nationality: English

Ship Name: Canadian Pacific Railroad
Port of Arrival: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canad

gives his next of kin as father joseph shelley england

rowlands destiantion is seattle
his last residence was brandon or branton

1920 United States Federal Census
about Rowland Sheeley
Name: Rowland Sheeley
[Rowland Shelley]
Home in 1920: Oakland, Alameda, California
Age: 46 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Laura J
Father's Birth Place: England
Mother's Birth Place: England
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Own
Year of Immigration: 1908
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 585
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Rowland Sheeley 46
Laura J Sheeley 36


laura born california
rowlands occupation painter
his emmigration year to usa is 1908 which fits with the usa boarder immigration

definatly the right one the mothers maiden name fits

California Death Index, 1940-1997
about Rowland Shelley
Name: Rowland Shelley
Social Security #: 0
Sex: MALE
Birth Date: 13 Dec 1873
Birthplace: Other Country
Death Date: 22 Mar 1950
Death Place: San Francisco
Mother's Maiden Name: Muston
Father's Surname: Shelley

1930 United States Federal Census
about Rowland Shelley
Name: Rowland Shelley
Home in 1930: Oakland, Alameda, California
View Map
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Laura
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Rowland Shelley 58
Laura Shelley 48
Eugene A Scallengo 32


eugene is listed as lodger

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Rowland Shelley
Name: Rowland Shelley
City: San Francisco
County: San Francisco
State: California
Birth Date: 13 Dec 1872
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1544261
DraftBoard: 12
Age:
45
Occupation:painter

Nearest Relative:wife laura

Height/Build:

Color of Eyes/Hair:

Signature: Vi

address 591 tusk st


California Death Index, 1940-1997
about Laura J Shelley
Name: Laura J Shelley
Sex: FEMALE
Birth Date: 28 Feb 1882
Birthplace: California
Death Date: 2 Aug 1961
Death Place: Glenn
Mother's Maiden Name: Lohse

still looking for other re immigration will post as soon as i find anything else

Thank you again Lorraine, you do sterling work for others and it is really appreciated.
I have been on a high since you found this family for me!
kind regards

Anne

ann

having trouble finding them on the 1911 in canada

have found this for son david

Canadian Soldiers of World War I, 1914-1918
about David E Jones
Name: David E Jones
Birth Date: 24 Jun 1896
Birth Location: Liverpool, England
Relative: Joseph H Jones
Regiment Number: 457530

gives father joseph as next of kin and fathers address as 567 6th ave rosemon? not sure of the spelling , montreal

occupation carpenter

so they where definatly still there in 1915 when the document was signed you can view canadian attestation papers free at canada collections online

Hi Lorraine,

Thanks for the kind offer.

I've got a shelley family going to Canada between 1883 and 1885 possibly 1887.

Joseph Shelley is the head and born 1847 with a wife ruth formerly muston or mustin born 1846 both born in staffordshire i think.

They had 5 children when they left for Canada and were in Tamworth, Staffordshire before they went.

Rowland Shelley 1874
Sarah E Shelley 1876
George Shelley 1878
Amelia Shelley 1879
Emma Shelley 1883

2 more born in Canada John Robson Shelley and Victor Shelley.

I can't find a birth record for John but have found Victor born 24th July 1887 Norwich, Oxford, Ontario.

I have found them all on the 1891 Canadian Census:
Province: Ontario
District Name: Brant South
District Number: 49
Sub-District Name: Brantford West
Household number: 159

It would be a great help if you could find them on passenger lists or the details of John's birth.

I know most of them were back in England in the 1901 Census in Chatham Kent but i think a couple of the children may have stayed in Canada, any info. on this would be a great help too.

Thanks,

Caroline

Hi Lorraine, thanks so much. A family member had told me about this census (address Frenches Fields) but we had disregarded it because of George Taylor. What you say makes perfect sense. Also Frances age 6 months, later lives in Frenches Fields when she is married. I think its definately them.

Thanks so much

Selena