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Hi Lorraine

Brothers Arthur White b.1880 and Frederick White b.1882 Oxfordshire are supposed to have gone to Canada c.1902 and died 1903. Can you find a record of their crossing and deaths? An American relative has said they died in MacDonald and are buried in Burnside Cemetery, 7 miles west of Portage La Prairie Manitoba.

Another brother Cecil White b.1876 m (Frances) Mercy Watts and had children Grace 1902 Fred 1904 Benjamin 1906 Florence 1908 Cecil 1910 and Ethel 1912. They are still in Oxfordshire 1911, but Cecil went to Canada c 1912 and sent for his family in 1915, and Cecil (the senior) d.1918 and is buried with his brothers. Can you find a record of their crossing or where they settled, probably around Portage La Prairie Manitoba too?

Thanks

Helen

jenny

as he didnt go with them i would look for a death in uk or was he on later census in uk

Thankyou very much for what you have found. It seems right as Mary was known as Polly. I don't know anymore details I'm afraid, which does make it difficult as there are so many Evans. Wonder what happened to Fred?

Thanks again
Jenny

roy

sorry but canada have a 50 year about releasing records so nothing for you thomas

Hi Lorraine,
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you, the info you found on Catherine Margam & John Harper's children, is correct, I've been going through all my paperwork to see if i've got any other info. that might help you locate James Margam. In a letter dated 19/11/1880 James was working in Aspen, (something to do with the coal & silver mines) he also visited Los Angeles. His brother William also out in the US (letter dated 7/12/1880) gives Williams address as 818 East Fifth St, Leadville, Colorado. I only have a box no. for James's address in 1880. I don't know if this is of any help to you. (My relie seems to have vanished after 1882)? I'm really greatful of any help with this. Many thanks,

ShelleyRose
I don't think the Edward Margam family, is mine.

helen

have found these births in ontario

Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1909
about Mary Matilda Townsend
Name: Mary Matilda Townsend
Date of Birth: 29 Dec 1872
Gender: Female
Birth County: Middlesex
Father's Name: Frederick Davy Townsend
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Pounds
Roll Number: MS929_14

Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1909
about Alfred Townsend
Name: Alfred Townsend
Date of Birth: 30 Jun 1874
Gender: Male
Birth County: Simcoe
Father's Name: Fredk David Townsend
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Pound
Roll Number: MS929_17

Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1909
about Albert Wilby Townsend
Name: Albert Wilby Townsend
Date of Birth: 18 Oct 1876
Gender: Male
Birth County: Simcoe
Father's Name: Frederick David Townsend
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Pound
Roll Number: MS929_25


and this death

Ontario, Canada Deaths, 1869-1934
about Albert Welby Townsend
Name: Albert Welby Townsend
Death Date: 17 Dec 1876
Death Location: Simcoe
Gender: Male
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Birth Location: Bottawa Village

cause of death infant fever

but i cant find them on a passenger list going to canada

jenny


can you tell me when they where back in the uk and where was lewis born not having much on passengers list but there are a lot of evans so would like to narrow it down a bit


have found a family going and coming back with right ages

no sign of fred and wife name is polly not mary


UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
about George Evans
Name: George Evans
Birth Date: abt 1895
Age: 2
Port of Departure: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States
Arrival Date: 10 Mar 1897
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Waesland
Search Ship Database: View the 'Waesland' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Official Number: 12729

travelling with father lewis aged 29 occupation collier
mother polly aged 25
brother william aged 1


New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Polly Evans
Name: Polly Evans
Arrival Date: 18 Apr 1896
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Age: 23
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: English
Ship Name: Campania
Search Ship Database: View the Campania in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Line: 18
Microfilm Serial: M237
Microfilm Roll: M237_657

travelling with
husband louis aged 28
son george aged 11months

Hi Lorraine,

Frederick David Townsend b.1847 married Elizabeth b.1845 in 1869 Hampshire England, and had their first 2 children Mary Matilda 1872 London Middlesex Ontario and Alfred Henry c.1875 Nottama Ontario, but by 1880 were back in Southampton. Frederick was deaf.

I would like to know when they travelled to Canada, when they returned, and whether they are on 1871 census at all.


Thanks in anticipation!

Helen

Hi
Wondering if you can help? Am looking for passenger lists for Mary Evans (Ensell) born 1875, Pedmore and Lewis Evans c1870. They had 2 sons Fred c1890 and George 1894 both born in UK I think. They travelled to USA as my Great grandfather William Evans was born in 1896 (11th June )Pennsylvania USA. They didn't stay long.
Mant thanks
Jenny

susan

nothing for louise penrose there is a 50year rule in canada so no up to date info available

re the renauds

they will not show on a census as they missed the 1870 and 1880, and i cant find them on a passenger list do you know where in usa they went

topazgem

unfortunatly USA is not like uk where you can access BMDs online. there is varied information depending on the state they live and its not a complete record of BMDs either

so its a bit hit and miss as to what information you find

Hi Lorraine,
Thanks for your offer!
I have 2 requests that I'd love help with. First is Louise Muriel Hillary Penrose (nee Collings) Moved to Canada sometime after 1974 and visited England in 1981 returning to Canada and dying after that. She was born in 1905 in Essex London.

Second is Abraham Renaud and his wife Justyn Wilhelmine Renaud (nee Schmidt) who left Germany sometime in the 1870's. for America with, I think 4 of their children, Bertha, Johann Friedrich, Anna, and William. Elise aka Lizzie was probably born either on journey or in America. Somehow they had their last child Carl Hermann abt 1881 in France before finally arriving in Brisbane Australia in 1884.
On the shipping document into Australia their name was spelt Renard. On other docs it has been spelt Renand so that may help you.
If there is any other info you need please let me know although I don't think I have too much else that would help.
Many thanks ahead for your efforts,
Kind regards
Sue

Hello Lorraine,
Many thanks for all the information, I did have some of it already . I am not surprised about not finding the shipping information as I have found it a dead end! I believe the date of immigration is in a family bible. I will check next time I am on the phone to her. It has been a puzzle to the family all over the years as he left his first son William in Glasgow. I will try to find out more about the Gavin Cadden you found in New Jersey, if it is him, his wife must have died earlier. Is the date of death difficult to find in the American records? Maybe he did not end up going to America at all, we might never know. I do appreciate you spending time on all this.
Regards,
TopazGem

topaz gem

not sure how much info you have so will list all i find


gavin with parents

1861 Scotland Census
about Gavin Cadden
Name: Gavin Cadden
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Willm
Mother's Name: Margt
Gender: Male
Where born: Eastwood, Renfrewshire
Registration Number: 562
Registration district: Eastwood
Civil parish: Eastwood
County: Renfrewshire
Address: Westside Of Village Of Thornliebank
Occupation: Printfield Worker
ED: 11
Household schedule number: 135
Line: 15
Roll: CSSCT1861_75
Household Members: Name Age
Willm Cadden 41
Margt Cadden 49
Mary Cadden 17
Gavin Cadden 15
James Cadden 13
Joseph Cadden 11
John Cadden 8
Margt Cadden 6
Martha Cadden 4
James Maxwell 76





1881 Scotland Census
about Gavin Cadden
Name: Gavin Cadden
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Margaret Mc C
Gender: Male
Where born: Pollokshaws, Renfrew
Registration Number: 562
Registration district: Eastwood
Civil parish: Eastwood
Town: Pollockshaws
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 26 Pollok St.
Occupation: Millboard Finisher
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 58
Line: 3
Roll: cssct1881_163
Household Members: Name Age
Gavin Cadden 34
Margaret Mc C Cadden 26
Gavin Cadden 2


wife born hamilton lanarkshire


son born Pollokshaws

not sure if this is right one re immigration year

1900 United States Federal Census
about Gavin Cadden
Name: Gavin Cadden
Home in 1900: Newark Ward 10, Essex, New Jersey
Age: 53
Birth Date: Oct 1846
Birthplace: Scotland
Race: White
Ethnicity: American
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1875
Relationship to Head of House: Head
Father's Birthplace: Scotland
Mother's Birthplace: Scotland
Marital Status: Widowed
Residence : Newark City, Essex, New Jersey
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Gavin Cadden 53
Charles Sanders 55
Helen McKenzie 55



occupation labourer
says he has been living in usa for 24 years which doesnt fit with the 1881 census


i cant find anything for him re immigration passenger lists nor a death or any other census

do you know the ships name he went on and what port? and where did you get the date of his immigration from


re gavin maxwell


have found this one born ireland

1880 United States Federal Census
about Garvin Maxwell
Name: Garvin Maxwell
[Gavin Maxwell]
Home in 1880: Mill, Tooele, Utah
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Birthplace: Ireland
Relation to Head of Household: Self (Head)
Spouse's Name: Martha
Father's birthplace: Ireland
Mother's birthplace: Ireland
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Farmer
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
House Number: 4248833
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane: View image
Household Members: Name Age
Garvin Maxwell 60
Martha Maxwell 51
Charles Maxwell 13


martha born ireland
charles born scotland


Stamp #: 003084
Given: Leon Marvin
Surname: Yates
Spouse:
Given: Ellen
Ancestor: John Oborn
Birth Date: 16 Nov 1843
Birth Place: Bath, Somerset, England
Death Date: 19 Oct 1915
Death Place: Union, Salt Lake Co. Utah
Relationship: 2nd gr Grandfather
Arrival: 9 Nov, 1856 with James C. Willey Handcart Co.
Comments: James Timbrell Worlton Dork 20 March 1821. Bath, England Absolom Yaks born 18 Dec 1817 Yorkshire, Eng Gavin Maxwell Born 14 May 1820 Craigoganttet N. Ireian
Sons of the Utah Pioneers Membership Applications
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Utah Cemetery Inventory
about Gavin Maxwell
Name: Gavin Maxwell
Gender: M (Male)
Birth Date: 14 May 1820
Death Date: 15 Nov 1894
Cemetery: Lake Point Cemetery
Source: Mary Ann Meiling
Grave Location: 17 E North G Map 3

according to a tree on ancestry marthas maiden name was mcmillan

there where several children

1941William Thompson Maxwell 1855 – 1883
Gavin McMillan Maxwell 1858 – 1858
Isaac Fox Maxwell 1859 – 1946
Margaret McMillan Maxwell 1862 – 1866
Lavina Davie Maxwell 1864 – 1874
Charles Maxwell


martha died in 1907

Utah Death Index, 1905-1951
about Martha McMillan Maxwell
Name: Martha McMillan Maxwell
Death Date: 27 Jan 1907
State File Number: 1907000399
Gender: Female
Age: 77
County of Death: Tooele

Utah Cemetery Inventory
about Martha McMillian Maxwell
Name: Martha McMillian Maxwell
Gender: F (Female)
Birth Date: 18 Feb 1829
Death Date: 27 Jan 1907
Cemetery: Lake Point Cemetery
Source: Mary Ann Meiling
Grave Location: 17 F North G Map 3

1900 United States Federal Census
about Martha M Maxwell
Name: Martha M Maxwell
Home in 1900: Mill, Tooele, Utah
Age: 71
Birth Date: Feb 1829
Birthplace: Ireland
Race: White
Ethnicity: American
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1872
[1892]
Relationship to Head of House: Head
Father's Birthplace: Scotland
Mother's Birthplace: Scotland
Mother: number of living children: 4
Mother: How many children: 9
Marital Status: Widowed
Residence : Grantsville City, Tooele, Utah
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Martha M Maxwell 71

Hi Lorraine
The last info that I can find on her is in the 1911 census when she was staying with her brother Edward Porter In Birmingham. I am making a huge leap here but perhaps she emigrated with her brother and his family. I have no details of any marriage and , as I said previously, her death records show her as Jennie Porter (her maiden name).
Many thanks for your efforts.
Val

Hello Lorraine,

Re your offer of checking the USA, Canadian records.

Below was a question I asked earlier today, in fact my first question on here. I got good help with the first part, but really need help to find where Gavin Cadden went after he left for America. Today a census in 1881 has shown him with a new wife Margaret Mc Cann and a little boy Gavin aged 2 years old....so I would think they all went to America together, but not sure. I would be grateful for any information you can find as this has been a long term family puzzle.

''I am looking for information about Gavin Cadden born Thornliebank, Glasgow 22.10.1846. His
parents were Margaret (nee Maxwell) and William Cadden who married Oct 1839. Gavin married Susan Brown they had a son William born March 1872. Susan died c 1875. Gavin , as far as we know he remarried but not sure when. Someone told me recently he was in the 1881 Scottish census, I have no access to that. The name Margaret Mc Cann came up from another person, maybe his new wife? We have the date 16.3.1883 as leaving for America. He did not take his son with him. William remained in Thornliebank,Glasgow all his life.

Gavin's Uncle, Gavin Maxwell born 1820, I think, went to America and settled in Utah. He shows in records there but I have looked to see if Gavin Cadden shows up there and have found nothing. I have started to search for ships to America but not found much and wondered if you can find where he went or who his second wife was or if he had more children.''

If I have done wrong by contacting you please let me know as I can see there are lots of rules re the threads, but I am still learning the ropes!
Regards,
TopazGem

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carol

re kate have this one

the dates on these are the arrival dates not departure

Philadelphia Passenger Lists, 1800-1945
about Kate Hagan
Name: Kate Hagan
Arrival Date: 11 Nov 1894
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Southwark
Port of Arrival: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Microfilm Roll Number: T840_22

her name has been crossed out as she didnt board


boat left liverpoo; 31st october 1894 so that fits with the info you have


as for mary the one is the one i gave you before

Philadelphia Passenger Lists, 1800-1945
about Mary A Hagan
Name: Mary A Hagan
Arrival Date: 19 Feb 1896
Age: 39 Years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Pennland
Port of Arrival: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Last Residence: Demgannon
Microfilm Roll Number: T840_24

left liverpool 5th feb which also fits with the info you have

carol

Philadelphia Passenger Lists, 1800-1945
about Mary A Hagan
Name: Mary A Hagan
Arrival Date: 19 Feb 1896
Age: 39 Years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Pennland
Port of Arrival: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Last Residence: Demgannon
Microfilm Roll Number: T840_24

occupation housekeeper
says she is an american native
returning home
been living in usa for 24years


cant find kate going in 1894 closest i could find

Philadelphia Passenger Lists, 1800-1945
about Kate Hagan
Name: Kate Hagan
Arrival Date: 4 Sep 1893
Age: 24 Years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Indiana
Port of Arrival: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Friend's Name: Chas Hagan
Last Residence: Draperstown
Microfilm Roll Number: T840_19

travelling with ellen hagan aged 22
both servants
going to brothers chas hagan
in brackets says met by sister

are these the right ones