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kerri

just making sure right family

1861 England Census
about John Cooper
Name: John Cooper
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Barming, Kent, England

Civil parish: West Malling
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Malling
Sub-registration district: East Peckham
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
John Cooper 32
Jane Cooper 33
Elizabeth Cooper 4
Mary Ann Cooper


jane born teston kent


i cant find them on the 1871 do you know if they went to usa or canada

Hi Lorraine
Thanks for looking, the letter was more of a handwritten note of about 6 lines attached to the front of a family history with Roger Evans' name on it, reference to his father Hywell and a date, so no clue as to where it was sent from. I now wonder if it was the UK< will get on ancestry and check this out!

Many thanks again

Vicki

hi vikki
the census only go up to 1930 i can't find a death record or any marriages for them when state in usa was the letter sent from

Hi Lorraine
thank you so much for having a look for me.
Best Wishes :)
Ruth xx

Hi Lorraine
Could you find this family after 1861 ......

1861 census Malling,Kent
John Cooper 32 b Barming,Kent
Jane Cooper aged 33 b Teston,Kent
Elizabeth Cooper 4 b Barming
Mary Ann Cooper 2 b West Malling,Kent

Thanks
Kerri

Lorraine, I can't thank you enough, that is great.

I have no idea how recent the US census records go, is there anyway to trace John Lloyd and Roger B Evans? I have this letter from 1957, written to my Grandfather from Roger and in it, he talks of his father Hywell and in 1957, he still sounds very much alive so I guess he died 1960 onwards.

Thank you for all your help

Vicki

vikki

just to confirm right hywell

1910 United States Federal Census
about Hywell Evans
Name: Hywell Evans
Age in 1910: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Birthplace: Wales
Relation to Head of House: Boarder
Father's Birth Place: Wales
Mother's Birth Place: Wales
Home in 1910: Boston Ward 20, Suffolk, Massachusetts
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of Immigration: 1905
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles G Knight 38
Jesse A O Knight 30
Marjorie E Knight 2
Jean I Knight 1 9/12
Robert Knight 32
Jessie A G Knight 56
Hywell Evans 32


bingo

1920 United States Federal Census
about Howell Evans
Name: Howell Evans
Home in 1920: Schenectady Ward 12, Schenectady, New York
Age: 43 years
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Birthplace: Wales
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's name: Isabelle D
Father's Birth Place: Wales
Mother's Birth Place: Wales
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Rent
Year of Immigration: 1905
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 446
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Howell Evans 43
Isabelle D Evans 43
John L Evans 6
Roger B Evans 3 1/12
Sebine H Weltin 76


isabelle born massachusetts
john and roger born mass
sebine is isabelles mother born maine

hywells occuption is inspector electric company

1930 United States Federal Census
about Howell Evans
Name: Howell Evans
Home in 1930: Auburn, Cayuga, New York
View Map
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Birthplace: Wales
Relation to Head of House: Head
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Howell Evans 50
John L Evans 16
Roger B Evans 13
Azale Filion 49


hywell is a widower
on this one it says john and roger born pennsylvania
azale is a lodger

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Howell Evans
Name: Howell Evans
County: Schenectady
State: New York
Birth Date: 4 Aug 1876
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1818986
DraftBoard: 0

next of kin wife isabelle
occupation inspector of machinery


cant find a death for howell/hywell

HI Lorraine
A couple of days ago you kindly found Hywell Evans on the US Census list for me in 1910, living as a boarder in Suffolk, Massachusetts. I have just re-read a family history that was written by my great grandfather and although it is a little jumbled, I think it states that Hywell had at least 2 sons, John Lloyd Evans and Roger Evans. I am afraid I have no idea of birth year, although would assume this was sometime between 1910 (when Hywell is listed as single age 32, on the US census) and 1925 which I am guessing at as an age he was likely to become a father! who knows though! I know by 1957 Roger is definately an adult and Hywell is still alive as I have a letter written by him and I get the impression he was born around a similar time to my grandfather and his sisters so from around 1910, 1912 ish.

Could you please check the US census in 1920 and 1930 to see if anything comes up under John Lloyd Evans and Roger Evans, father being Hywell Evans.

Many thanks

Vicki

ruth

sorry for the delay have been unwell

found the ww2 you mentioned

U.S. World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942
about Frederick William Hardie
Name: Frederick William Hardie
Birth Date: 26 Feb 1896
Birth Place: Aberdeen
Residence: Kings, New York
Race: White
Roll: WW2_2369782

the original address he gave the same as rose hardies is crossed out and a new one above

this is his crossing to usa

Border Crossings: From Canada to U.S., 1895-1956
about Frederick William Hardie
Name: Frederick William Hardie
Arrival Date: 4 Aug 1923
Age: 27
Birth Date: abt 1896
Birth Country: Scotland
Gender: Male
Race/Nationality: Scotch (Scotish)

Ship Name: Saturnia
Port of Arrival: Quebec, Canada
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland

travelling alone
occupation brass pattern maker
final destination detroit michigan
next of kin maggie hardie
17 fountain st
banff


Detroit Border Crossings and Passenger and Crew Lists, 1905-1957
about Frederick William Hardie
Name: Frederick William Hardie
Arrival Date: 19 Sep 1927
Age: 31 years 7 months
Birth Date: abt 1896
Birthplace: Aberdeen
Birth Country: Scotland
Gender: Male
Race/Nationality: Scotch (Scotish)

Port of Arrival: Detroit, Michigan
Departure Contact: Wife Maggie

Microfilm Roll Number: M1478_27

travelling alone to work for a foundary in michigan
next of kin wife maggie in windsor ontario


I cant find a death for him though

the only thing i can find on maggie is what you already have no death for her she may have remarried or died before the records they have quite limited depending on state

nothing for daughter margaret apart from her boarder crossing with mother and sister

same for eliza sorry not much info for you

Lorraine,
Thank you so much for the look up on my Gaynor's.
The 1910 census looks like them going by the mothers name Agnes and his brother's name William as both names run in the family.
The 1930 census is the right one as the Good family are with him.
I just have to try and work out which one is his death.
This is much appreciated.

Jean

Loraine,
thanks so much for looking, thanks to you I am now muich furhter on with 2 of the brothers, which is a huge step in the right direction, thank you

Vicki

Hi Lorraine
My great uncle went to Quebec via Glasgow in 1923 his family followed in 1924. They were all born Aberdeen -
Found his wife and daughters in Wayne, Michigan in 1930 census. Found his WWII draft Registration card for 1942 with his address as 68-49 Burns Street, Forest Hills, L1, Kings, New York.
Think he and his wife split as his contact given on this was a Rose Hardie. in Brooklyn, New York.
Cannot find anything on him after this, or his wife and daughters.
He is Frederick William Hardie b 26/2/1896.
Married Maggie Smith b 23.3.1899.
Daughters Margaret Smith Hardie b Nov 1919
Eliza Barrack Hardie b Nov 1921.
Maggie received naturalisation 6 June 1929
Fred received naturalisation 19 Sept 1939.

jean

only one i could find born around 1905

1910 United States Federal Census
about John Gaynor
Name: John Gaynor
Age in 1910: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1904
Birthplace: New York
Relation to Head of House: Son
Father's Name: Michael
Father's Birth Place: Ireland
Mother's Name: Agnes
Mother's Birth Place: Ireland
Home in 1910: Rumson, Monmouth, New Jersey
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Male
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Michael Gaynor 40
Agnes Gaynor 37
Mary Gaynor 8
John Gaynor 6
William Gaynor 5
Anne Gaynor 4


this looks like them in 1930 living with helens father and sister

1930 United States Federal Census
about John V Gaynor
Name: John V Gaynor
Home in 1930: Sea Bright, Monmouth, New Jersey
View Map
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1905
Relation to Head of House: Son-in-law
Spouse's name: Helen M
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Howard B Applegate 45
Evelyn E Good 23
Edward G Good 31
Margarette A Good 1 7/12
Helen M Gaynor 21
John V Gaynor 25
Janet M G Gaynor 1 6/12


john and helens daughter janet born new jersey

couple of possibilties for johns death

Social Security Death Index
about John Gaynor
Name: John Gaynor
SSN: 158-05-1724
Last Residence: 07306 Jersey City, Hudson, New Jersey, United States of America
Born: 22 Mar 1905
Last Benefit: 07306 Jersey City, Hudson, New Jersey, United States of America
Died: Aug 1986
State (Year) SSN issued: New Jersey (Before 1951

Social Security Death Index
about John Gaynor
Name: John Gaynor
SSN: 157-10-4150
Last Residence: 07304 Jersey City, Hudson, New Jersey, United States of America
Born: 2 Jul 1906
Died: May 1986
State (Year) SSN issued: New Jersey (Before 1951

hi vikki

no marriage to anne but not all states have their records available

re brothers

1910 United States Federal Census
about Hywell Evans
Name: Hywell Evans
Age in 1910: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Birthplace: Wales
Relation to Head of House: Boarder
Father's Birth Place: Wales
Mother's Birth Place: Wales
Home in 1910: Boston Ward 20, Suffolk, Massachusetts
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of Immigration: 1905
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles G Knight 38
Jesse A O Knight 30
Marjorie E Knight 2
Jean I Knight 1 9/12
Robert Knight 32
Jessie A G Knight 56
Hywell Evans 32


his occupation is machinist in machine shop

so annoying i cant find him a passenger list either nor any other census

cant find anything for samuel or john going to usa nor on census

Hi Loraine
As well as trying to track Llewelyn Evans down (thanks very much for the census info you have found for me already), I cant find him on any UK census after 1881, and I updated my previous post with details of his possible marriage in Wisconsin, if you are able to check.

Llewelyn also had 3 brothers who I can not track down either - Hywell Evans born 1877, Bangor, Caernarfonshire - I think I have found him on the 1910 US Federal Census in Massachusetts but can not get any further info to it, again when did he go to the US and did he go alone, marry once out there etc,
John Arthur Evans born 1866ish, Holyhead, caernarfon, - no idea what became of him
Samuel Lloyd Evans born c1872, again no idea about him either, although family rumour says they all ended up in the US

Once again you time on all this is very appreciated.

Vicki

Lorraine,
Thank you for the offer,
I wonder if you could find a death for John Gaynor b.c 1905 in New Jersey he was married to Helen nee Applegate, also if it's not too much trouble any children born to them also in New Jersey .U.S.A
Thank you for your time
jean

hi lorraine
many thanks for the info it's really appreciated, i think thats when they came over for a family visit.
regards
debbie

Hi Loraine

I have had a search around and can't find Llewelyn on the 1891 or 1901 census but then I'm struggling to find the whole family in 1891. I think I have found 3 of his brothers, Thomas Rogers Evans, John Arthur Evans and Samuel Lloyd Evans at an aunts house, however I need to be sure it's them. I can't find the parents though. In 1901 the parents are living with their son Thomas and their daughter-in-law so based on all this I am assuming Llewelyn went to the US before 1891.

I have received a PM from a lady who has Llewelyn in her tree and she has him marrying an Anne Evans (coincidence her maiden name is the same as her married name) in Wisconsin sometime around 1900, could you please check this as well.

Your time is appreciated.
Vicki

debbie

no luck with any deaths yet but found this

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
about Jesse Cresswell
Name: Jesse Cresswell
Birth Date: 3 Oct 1896
Age: 59
Port of Departure: Montrã©AL, Quã©Bec, Canada
Arrival Date: 27 Jul 1956
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Montreal
Ship Name: Ivernia
Search Ship Database: View the 'Ivernia' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: The Cunard Steamship Company Ltd
Official Number: 4640/0

travelling with sarah date of birth 7/10/99
son albert born 15/5/43


going to 7a oxford road w derby liverpool
jesses occupation is longshoreman

countyy of last residence canada
country of intended perminant residence england

ben

presume this is the family

1900 United States Federal Census
about Thomas Musgrave
Name: Thomas Musgrave
[Thomas Musgrove]
Home in 1900: North Fayette, Allegheny, Pennsylvania
Age: 72
Birth Date: Dec 1827
Birthplace: England
Race: White
Ethnicity: American
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1887
Relationship to Head of House: Father-in-law
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Marital Status: Widowed
Residence : North Fayette Township, Precincts 1 & 5, Allegheny, Pennsylvania
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Sutherland 44
Elizabeth Sutherland 48
James Sutherland 12
William Sutherland 42
Mary Ellen Wilson 15
Thomas Musgrave 72


there is nothing for a marriage for robert and elizabeth nor a death for thomas, or elizabeth bit too early for records I think, the social security index dosent seem to start until the 1960,s