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oh good thankyou,
bex

Births of James and Joseph:

James Robinson 1912 Jan-Feb-Mar West Derby

Joseph Robinson 1914 Jan-Feb-Mar West Derby

OK - well that narrows the gap a bit then. Thanks

oh thats interesting, well she had children with william, there was a william 1901, richard 1905, john 1906 katherine and cissie 1908 jim 1912 and then ? joe 1913 althought my mum says that joe may not be williams she wasnt sure just remembers a joe robinson born 1913 died in a car accident age 33 she remembers him coz her nan used to call my mums brother joe, saying he looked like him?? then she said that sarah anne married her 2nd husband in 1918 she had fredrick in 1918 then sarah a 1920 margaret 1921 and then mary 1922
regards bex

When were the children from the first marriage born? Well, really what I was wondering is when did they stop being born? Sarah is clearly fertile so if she wasn't producing children, William is either dead or not around any more.

Mind is starting to think wider as nothing is turning up. Wonder if he didn't die but they split up? Have found a marriage in 1904 of a William Henry W Robinson in West Bromwich.

All guessing of course!

Janice

oh ok, it might help, anything could, thankyou
bex

I think the daughter's married name is Hogan and that this would be the marriage:

Marriages Sep 1889 (>99%)
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***Hogan Christopher W. Derby 8b 714
Marsh Elizabeth Ann W. Derby 8b 714
***ROBINSON Sarah W. Derby 8b 714
Willcott John Alexander W. Derby 8b 714

She appears to be 23?

Don't know that it helps though???

Have to sign off for now but will catch up in the morning.

Dea x

yes sarah a had more children with 2nd husband sarah a dinwoodie 1921, fredrick 1818, margaret 1921 and mary 1922
regard bex

Thanks guys.... have just found a william h robinson age 11 on a 1891 census, mothers name is martha age 56 but theres no dad, but there is a daughter with another name which i cant read not sure if its a middle name or mothers maiden name, she is 33 or 35 i think next son is a richard a robinson age 15 then theres william, im currently looking but havet found a marrige yet as his dad was a william, not sure if its even right
regards bex

Well, they DO seem to have had a child called 'Sarah A' in 1920:

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005
about Sarah A Dinwoodie
Name: Sarah A Dinwoodie
Mother's Maiden Surname: Robinson
Date of Registration: Jan Feb Mar 1920
Registration district: W Derby
Registration county: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8b
Page Number: 869 (click to see others on page)

+ these others:

Record


Frederick Dinwoodie Jul Aug Sep 1918 W Derby Lancashire

Margaret Dinwoodie Apr May Jun 1921 W Derby Lancashire

Mary Dinwoodie Oct Nov Dec 1922 W Derby Lancashire

Dea x


Dea x

I'm surprised about the lack of maiden name too. As you said, they usually show both. Wonder if she didn't say she had been married before, although I would have thought that was highly unlikely.

You are quite right Janice - I too have checked on FreeBmd and viewed the image - It DOES say Sarah A.

Looks like LancsBmd is wrong on this occasion.

Dea x

Dea,
I noticed this and cross-referenced it on FreeBMD which has sarah A.
Janice

According to Lancs Bmd (which is usually quite reliable), It was a Sarah J (not Sarah Ann) who married James Dinwoodie!

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1918
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
ROBINSON Sarah J DINWOODIE James Kirkdale, St. Mary Liverpool 2013WD/30/398


Also, if it was a second marriage, this site 'usually' gives the maiden name and the previous married name (nothing to that effect on here!)

Are you quite sure of all these details?

Dea x

Yeah I think you are right, Thankyou for your help thought, its appreciated
regards bex

In the absence of anything else, I think I would order that birth cert with the father's name as a checking point. At least you would get some money back if it's not the right one.
Good Luck!
Janice

Hi
That could well be his birth, it fits, as he was 21 in 1901?? Thanks
regards bex

hi, sorrey for delay janice, just finished work!! ok im currently looking on cwgc website, have spoken to mum, she said her nanna always said he died in WW1, now his wife sarah ann re-married in 1918 to a james dimwoodie, now on the cwgc i found ( i think) the william h robinson you found in 1891 on it he died 1815 but he was married to a annie emily (i think thats what it says) so i dont think that is my one. i will keep u posted, it be nice if i had a birth so i could get birth certificate.
thankyou for your help i will let you no, even if i cant find him
regards bex

If you can find him on CWGC, please let me know!! I spent a long time looking for him which is what prompted the question about forces/civilian death.
Janice

could this birth be a possibility?

Births Mar 1880 (>99%)
ROBINSON Male W. Derby 8b 290