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The ,,north carolina,, divorce was in 1968.

The 1909 JEP is on a public tree at Ancestry:

http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/5560432/person/-1179622127?ssrc=

born Sculcoates, married to Irene Stephenson, one child Elizabeth.

(((hugs))) to Viv. ;)

Viv now looking for the "barf bucket"!!

And the divorce and any poss canuck census.

Hmm.

REDGRAVE Eva (dob)1886 1910 London Australia Sydney


There isn't an English Eva Redgrave birth to match that DOB, or a marriage of a Redgrave to an Eva. And no other Redgrave accomanied that Eva.

Well my my! --

"a divorce for James Edmund Prince and Eva Ada Prince in North Carolina????"

That is just a tad coincidental, isn't it?

Possibly married outside the country too, then?

I'm lovely. Just ask Viv. ;)

They would both be a bit out of her age bracket - but I'm thinking maybe not married, eh?

Thankyou very much ladies! I will start on those n see how i get on... although i have found a divorce for James Edmund Prince and Eva Ada Prince in North Carolina???? I found a James Edmund Prince on New York arrivals... This may just be a coincidence though.... I think Prince must have been a popular name back then! Oh and Janey, i do think you're nice, you've helped me lots ;-)

1911

PRINCE JAMES 1880 31 South Shields Durham

Wonder what his occupation was?

Rest of household seems to be:

PRINCE MARY 1882 29 South Shields Durham
PRINCE MARY 1904 7 South Shields Durham
PRINCE ELEANOR 1906 5 South Shields Durham
PRINCE RUTH 1908 3 South Shields Durham

Except I'm not really seeing a marriage to match ...

A bit long in the tooth to be "married" to eva,but it may be a possible?

Name: James Edmund Prince
Year of Registration: 1874
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Stourbridge
County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands, Worcestershire
Volume: 6c
Page: 229

This is the only birth in the GRO at any possibly relevant date:


Births Mar 1880
Prince James Edmund L Easingwold 9d 413


1901:

Name: James E T Prince
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James E
Mother's Name: Alice
Where born: Crayke, Durham, England
Occupation: Farmer's Son

Civil parish: Luttons Ambo
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: East Sutton
County/Island: Yorkshire
Registration district: Driffield
[Crayke shows as in Easingwold reg dist at time of birth]

James E Prince 46
Alice Prince 46
James E T Prince 21
Elizabeth L Prince 18
William H Prince 11
Florence M Prince 9
Eliza M W F Prince 3
Polley Frain 24 - stepdaughter
John Cawood 14 - horseman on farm
Cristopher Thornburg 18 - horseman on farm
George Butterworth 60 - cattleman on farm


Father James is Farmer/employer -- obviously not short of a bob. It's conceivable a son of his would have become a professional.

1911

PRINCE JAMES 1909 2 Sculcoates Yorkshire East Riding (with York)

PRINCE STANLEY 1877 34 Sculcoates Yorkshire East Riding (with York)
PRINCE JOHN 1905 6 Sculcoates Yorkshire East Riding (with York)
PRINCE AGNES 1875 36 Sculcoates Yorkshire East Riding (with York)


Father not JEP ...

Births Mar 1909
PRINCE James Edmund Sculcoates 9d 183

And going in the opposite direction, at FindMyPast,

http://www.findmypast.com/passengerListPersonSearchStart.action

we have:

PRINCE James Edmund (dob)1909 1938 Liverpool Bermuda Bermuda
PRINCE James Edmund (dob)1909 1950 Southampton Malaysia Penang


A son of our JEP maybe?

Father of a kid born 1918, so he probably wasn't born in 1909.

But dang, the name and occupation are really just too coincidental there!

I do not lie,I just exaggerate a little sometimes,but not about Janey!

this one is an Engineer and last permenant place of residence was england,no birth date.

Name: James Edmund Prince
Port of Departure: Port Harcourt, Nigeria
Arrival Date: 24 Jul 1938
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Port Harcourt, Apapa, Lagos, Takoradi, Accra, Freetown, Bathurst and Las Palmas
Ship Name: Accra
Search Ship Database: View the 'Accra' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Elder Dempster Lines Ltd
Official Number: 149595

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this one is too young, and I think may be the same man

Civil engineer and last permenant place of residence was england.

Name: Mr James Edmund Prince
Birth Date: abt 1909
Age: 30
Port of Departure: Valparaiso, Chile
Arrival Date: 29 Sep 1939
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Valparaiso, Tocopilla, Arica, Callao, Paita, Balboa, Cristobal, Havana, Nassau and Bermuda
Ship Name: Orbita
Search Ship Database: View the 'Orbita' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: The Pacific Steam Navigation Company
Official Number: 137467

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Ruddy firefox keeps crashing on me.
Back in bit after another look.

Any idea of when he was born??

She says she's just warming up.

She always lies about what I say, but I'm nice. ;)

Here we are!

I've PMed somebody I think has access (sorry I don't), in response to your PM to me about this. Asked her to come have a look. If she's not around or can't do it, I'm sure somebody will!

Hi all,

I have followed Janey Canuck's suggestion and checked ancestry.com for immigration and emigrations and i have found a James Edmund Prince arriving in Liverpool on the UK incoming passengers lists 1878-1960. As i do not have full access to this site, please could anyone with full access check this for me? eg where he departed from and any other info listed?

Thanking you in anticipation,

Michelle

Thankyou all very much for your help. It sounds naive of me but didn't think of him coming here around the war time!!! That also could explain why my grandad was left in an orphanage. I had thought that as Eva was a servant she could have gotten pregnant by 1 of her employers and tried to search through that route but i am very inexperienced with this and got no results!!

I will investigate the James Prince found in Chorlton in 1911 aged 22.

Thankyou all once again ;-)

This James Prince in 1911 answers to occupation "clerk":

PRINCE JAMES FOSTER 1889 22 Chorlton Lancashire

born Chorlton 1888 per FreeBMD. But he seems to have married Alice Francis in 1914.

Of course, a pre-existing marriage on your James's part would have barred a marriage to Eva.