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Births Jun 1882 (>99%)
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NODDER William Dallorzo Shoreditch 1c 93

Births Sep 1883 (>99%)
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NODDER Joseph Alfred Shoreditch 1c 110

Births Dec 1884 (>99%)
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Nodder Arthur Thomas Wycombe 3a 631

Births Jun 1888 (>99%)
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NODDER Lucy Rose Wycombe 3a _83


NOTE Tree on Ancestry says they go to USA in 1887 but Lucy Rose (on 1901 USA census) and born in England in May 1888.

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Lizzie Nodder
Arrival Date: 29 Sep 1888
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Age: 26
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Destination: San Francisco
Place of Origin: England
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: English
Ship Name: City of Chester
Search Ship Database: View the City of Chester in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York
Line: 37
Microfilm Serial: M237
Microfilm Roll: M237_525
List Number: 1334
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States

Source Citation: Year: 1888; Arrival: New York , United States; Microfilm serial: M237; Microfilm roll: M237_525; Line: 37; List number: 1334.

Going to bed now!

Will have another look in morning - perhaps I'm going off on the wrong tangent. Still got to find whereabouts of Susan and Lucy ......

Fascinating! I seldom think to look at Ancestry trees.

The one with Sarah Ann & Lizzie Rose has Joseph Carter Dallorzo only up to the 1861 census. So it doesn't rule him out as our Joseph Dallows/Roome!

It also only has Susan (Carter) Dallorzo up to 1871 - but doesn't have Lucy in the three at all.

That's a really interesting possible connection, if it turns out the tree owner is closely related to Lizzie or Sarah, say. Sarah's the only one they seem to have in 1871. The census record linked to for Lizzie is actually Lucy.

... As far as closely related, probably not, unfortunately. Hundreds of names in that tree. Er, thousands, I guess - 344 "M"s alone ...

a maybe

San Francisco, California Directories, 1889-91
Name: Susan Dallorzo
Location 2: 1802 Green
Occupation: widow
Year: 1889
City: San Francisco
State: CA

San Francisco, California Directories, 1889-91
Name: Susan Dallorzo
Location 2: r. 1802 Green
Occupation: widow
Year: 1890
City: San Francisco
State: CA

another maybe

U.S. Naturalization Records Indexes, 1794-1995
Name: Lucy M Dallorzo
State: California
Locality, Court: Northern District of California, District court
Title: Selected Indexes to naturalization Records of the U.S. Circuit and District Counts, Northern District of California, 1852-1928
Description: Index to declarations of intent and petitions for naturalization
Series: T1220

YES!

California Death Index, 1940-1997
Name: Lucy Martha Dallorzo
Social Security #: 0
Sex: FEMALE
Birth Date: 29 Jan 1860
Birthplace: Other Country
Death Date: 9 Feb 1955
Death Place: San Francisco
Mother's Maiden Name: Carter
Father's Surname: Dallorzo

1930 United States Federal Census
Name: Lucy Dallorzo
Home in 1930: San Francisco, San Francisco, California
Age: 70
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head-of-house: Head
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Lucy Dallorzo 70


(Year of immigration stated to be 1881)

California Death Index, 1940-1997
Name: Sarah Ann Hink
[Sarah Ann Dallorzo]
Social Security #: 0
Sex: FEMALE
Birth Date: 27 May 1855
Birthplace: Other Country
Death Date: 27 Apr 1948
Death Place: Napa
Father's Surname: Dallorzo

California Death Index, 1940-1997
Name: Lizzie R Nodder
[Lizzie R Dallorzo]
Social Security #: 0
Sex: FEMALE
Birth Date: 27 Sep 1861
Birthplace: Other Country
Death Date: 19 Feb 1944
Death Place: San Francisco
Mother's Maiden Name: Carter
Father's Surname: Dallorzo

this is the only possible I can find at moment

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Lucy Dallays
Arrival Date: 25 Sep 1882
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Age: 21
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Destination: United States of America
Place of Origin: England
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: English
Ship Name: City of Berlin
Search Ship Database: View the City of Berlin in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York
Line: 56
Microfilm Serial: M237
Microfilm Roll: M237_457
List Number: 1376
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States

Wow ladies, you have done me proud. It will take me till tomorrow to absorb all this and decide what gaps I have. We still haven't found Susan, Lucy or Lizzie in 1881. Can't remember about Sarah Ann.

Off for something to eat.

Margaret

Are we all agreed I should delete this thread now? I think we have exhausted most current avenues.

Margaret

Delete away if you have everything you need. Bit of a journey, but don't think there's 'roome' for more!!

Hi Choccy,

Been advised that I should not delete the thread as people might latch on later. Didn't quite appreciate that. So leaving it here for now.

Margaret

We must live in hope! While I still like the "four Walls make a Roome" theory, there's gotta be some explanation!

You see, if we can find the explanation for yours, it gives me hope there's an explanation for mine. ;)