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I just 'have a feeling' about this one too !!! - NOT convinced though !

It DOES say 'David' on image and they are all marked as born Wigan ???

BUT - I cannot find a birth or marriage for a David which fits and he does not appear to be on any other
census ???

Often, the census details were entered later, having been copied from various bits of paper!
- It is VERY possible that Daniel could have been read as 'David' ??

1901 England Census
about John Hogan
Name: John Hogan
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Son
Father's Name: David
Mother's Name: Sarah A
Gender: Male
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Pemberton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
Town: Newtown
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England



Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Pemberton
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 218
Household Members: Name Age
David Hogan 39 Coal Miner Hewer.....ALL marked as born Wigan ?????
Sarah A Hogan 33
John Hogan 12


at 26 Warrington Rd.

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3566; Folio: 180; Page: 36.

Dea x

Well, it's a 'possible' Sablon ???

I DO wish I could see the details on that marriage cert !!!

Dea x

well done Dea that looks very promising

It's looking more and more possible!

Sarah Ann's brother Peter also has a son John Kay but he is a few months younger than Sarah's John (the one I believe to be Sarah's son??)

This John though is with father Peter on both 1891 and 1901 Census, aged 1 and 11 years.

This also makes it likely that the 2 birth reg I have put above are for these two John's making the earlier one Sarah's and the later one Peter's

Such fun isn't it ???

Dea x

P.S. - It might be worth looking at the details of that marriage cert for Daniel and Sarah Ann Kay to see if we can be sure we have the right people here?

Dea Xxx

Well just 'lookey' what we have here!!!

You mentioned a marriage for a Daniel to a Sarah Ann Kay -I think this may just be the one.

Remember, on 1911 they had a 22 year old son John, so it would 'not be the thing' to say
you had only been married 15 years?

Anyway, I went looking for a Sarah Ann Kay born Wigan c 1867:

1881 England Census
about Sarah Ann Kay
Name: Sarah Ann Kay
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Rachael
Gender: Female
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Wigan
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 28 Mc Cormick St
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Factory Operative Cotton

Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Kay 50
Rachael Kay 48
Peter Kay 21
Mary Kay 19
Sarah Ann Kay 14
William Kay 12
John Thomas Kay 9

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3765; Folio: 9; Page: 11; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341901.


Having found one, I looked to see where she was in 1891 to see if she had a 'John' with her?

1891 England Census
about Sarah A Kay
Name: Sarah A Kay
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: St Catherine
Town: Wigan
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 27, Golborne St

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Allen 30 b Prescot, Lancs
Margaret Allen 26 b Durham
George T Allen 11/12
Emma Maddock 19
Sarah E Maddock 17
Noah Maddock 11
Sarah A Kay 23 b Wigan

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3050; Folio 101; Page 26; GSU roll: 6098160.


SHE DIDN''T !!!, but I found a John Kay of the right age, born Wigan:

1891 England Census
about John Kay
Name: John Kay
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancaster; Wigan

Civil parish: Standish
Ecclesiastical parish: Standish
Town: Standish
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England



Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Standish
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Kay 63 retired Flagger + Slater !!
Rachael Kay 60
William Kay 21
John Thomas Kay 18
John Kay 2 ***************** Grandson !!!!!!! - all born Wigan



Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3045; Folio 50; Page 43; GSU roll: 6098155.

>>>>> This means John Kay is the grandson of Sarah Ann's parents, making it VERY probable
he is Sarah's son...

I think your John Hogan may very well have been registered as John KAY in Wigan
- What do you think??

I believe one of these will be him:

Births Jun 1889
Kay John Wigan 8c 32

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Births Sep 1889
Kay John Wigan 8c 1



Dea x

P.S. DON'T go sending for any certs yet !!! - I have to work on this as it could just be yet another 'red herring' !!!

Dea x

susan
don't say that,
I have been stuck for 8 years looking for my ancester,brick wall after brick wall,
at last i think this wall is about to crash because of his name changing from French to English spelling.
To you and anyone else,DON'T ever give up hope,there is always a clue some where,you just have to find it

Unfortunatly i have to go now, ooh the joys of a shared computer !!!

Thank you both for all your work today , I'm sure you will be glad to see the back of me !!!!

Sue x

Hi Sablon

1911 census 11 eats terrace Easington wingate
posted it earlier at 7.15 but Dea had put it on yesterday ( i missed it for some reason !!)
have been trawling Scottish BMD but nothing else coming up for Daniel birth

(first born of John and gertrudes children was also born in easington 1917)

Sue

HOUSEHOLD HOGAN DANIEL M 1906 5 Easington Durham 1911 census
this must be what you found in 1911
susan..........can you get in to see if this is your daniel

http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/search/birth/index.aspx


i did a search but no daniel between 1900 -1906 in hamilton

I'm back ! only 1 record for a Daniel Hogan birth from 1903-7 but he died aged 5 days old.

did find a mariage for a Daniel Hogan coal miner - father daniel coal miner deceased & Sarah Ann Kay thought ohh, but that would mean they would have only been married 15 yrs in 1911 not 24

Thats all i could find on Scottish BMD sorry

I think th site is called 'scotlandspeople' but I am sure someone will guide you in the right direction !!! ???

Thanks,

Dea x

How daft am i !!! Does this site not do Scottish births ?? i have just been looking but the only Daniels are from England

Hi Sue,

I don't have access to scotlandspeople but it might be worthwhile following that 1905 birth for Daniel ??

Dea x

I don't think the Ferris family are connected but it might be worthwhile to follow the Scottish birth for Daniel in 1905/6?

Dea x

This is the one I put up yesterday - It IS correct !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dea x

Hi Sablon & Dea my so much info since i've been away !! it makes my findings so inadequate !!!!! i don't know if this is going to confuse things but have i got the right family here ?? if not i will delete it

HOGAN, DANIEL HEAD MARRIED M 49 COAL MINER HEWER DURHAM CASTLE EDEN HUTTEN HENRY
HOGAN, SARAH ANN WIFE MARRIED 24 F 44 WIGAN PARISH LANCS
HOGAN, JOHN SON SINGLE M 22 COAL MINER HEWER WIGAN PARISH LANCS
HOGAN, DANIEL SON M 5 SCOTLAND HAMILTON RESIDENT
FERRIS, JAMES BOARDER MARRIED M 24 COAL MINER PUTTER BELOW GROUND WINGATE CO DURHAM
FERRIS, HENRIETTA BOARDER MARRIED F 20 WEST HARTLEPOOL DURHAM
FERRIS, SIDNEY JAMES BOARDER M 2 HESLEDEN C/O DURHAM
FERRIS, LEONARD BOARDER M 6 MONTHS WEST HARTLEPOOL DURHAM

Sue

Sorry forgot to say its from 1911 census

this is all that came up for that year

Individual Record FamilySearch™ Pedigree Resource File

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Daniel Hogan Compact Disc #92 Pin #620946 Pedigree
Sex: M

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Event(s)
Birth: abt 1808

Ireland

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Parents

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Marriage(s)
Spouse: Mary Quirk Disc #92 Pin #620947
Marriage:



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Notes and Sources
Notes: None
Sources: None

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Submitter
Albert Frank KOLTOSKY
14500 S.W. 291 Street Leisure City, FL 33033


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Submission Search: 2762772-0704104123343

So, we already have Daniel on 1881 living with his sister Annie (Daley)
Household Members: Name Age
Dominic Daley 30
Annie Daley 27
James Daley 22
Daniel Hogan 21


Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4922; Folio: 55; Page: 43; Line: ; GSU roll: 1342183.

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He is still with them on 1891 although now married:

Durham
Sub-registration district: St Oswald
ED, institution, or vessel: 42
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Domnick Daley 41
Ann Daley 37
Mary A Daley 5
Daniel Daley 3
Daniel Hogan 28



Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4101; Folio 40; Page 22; GSU roll: 6099211.

Unfortunately, no sign of wife and son John !!!!!

Dea x

Daniel Hogan (Gt. Gt. Grandfather) seems to have died between 1861 + 1871 census -
This would be most probable death reg:

Deaths Jun 1861
Hogan Daniel Easington 10a 197
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Mary then re-marries (husband no 3?):

Marriages Dec 1866
Hogan Mary Easington 10a 533
INGLEBY Reuben Easington 10a 533
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Here they are on 1871: with your gt. grandfather:

1871 England Census
about Daniel Hogan
Name: Daniel Hogan
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Ruben
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Castle Eden, Durham, England
Civil parish: Brancepeth
Ecclesiastical parish: Willington St Stephen
Town: Oakenshaw
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Durham
Sub-registration district: St Oswald
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 107
Household Members: Name Age
Ruben Ingleby 61
Mary Ingleby 57
Annie Hogan 18
Thomas Hogan 15
Daniel Hogan 12




Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 4961; Folio: 17; Page: 27; GSU roll: 848030.


Dea x