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Whether or not the father was deceased, his name would not change, and it should be on every marriage cert

Hi, his father was cited on the 1915 certificate. I presume that he was deceased by 1938 when James wed Dorothea. I know that he was wed in 1929 also. Now I don't have this as fact (other than my mother said that her father wed in 1929 when she was 9 or 10 years old) I suspect that he wed an Annie Spong nee Sumner and that she died in 1935. However this later fact I am not sure of but the others I am. My mother always insisted that he came from up north. Dundee was mentioned also north border so this is the area conscentrated on. Also whenever I looked for James With David/stonemason I was always sent to Cumbria.

Did he give exactly the same details for his father each time he married?

Can you say why you think he was born in Cumberland?

I was hoping that perhaps the witnesses to the 1915 marriage might throw up a sibling to James but instead they look as if they might have been related to Ethel

Marriages Mar 1912
Diamond Sarah M. Ellison. Birkenhead. 8a. 656
Ellison Joseph. Diamond. Birkenhead 8a. 656

Back to the drawing board!

Hi James took his life. He lived in Reeds Lane Wallasey Cheshire. He lived at a house called "St.Elmo" and next door was a place called "The Three Musketeers Cafe" and this was the premises were he committed suicide. It is presumed that he died 10th April and was found on the 11th April. I have the coroners report the death certificate but I have no record of where he was born or of my forebears. Thanks for your ear.Dorothy

PS the witnesses on the marriage were in the 1915 marriage JOSEPH &SARAH MARGARET ELLISON
in the 1938 marriage ELSIE & EMILY MARTIN

For our ref.

Name: James Bowman
Birth Date: abt 1883
Date of Registration: Jun 1938
Age at Death: 55
Registration district: Wallasey
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 670


Dorothea Martin
Spouse Surname: Bowman
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1938
Registration district: Wallasey
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume Number: 8a
Page Number: 1014
Find Spouse: James Bowman

Where and when did James die?

Also can you give the names of the witnesses on the Marriage Certificate?

Thanks

Hi, the info on the marriage certificate is as follows
November 27th JAMES BOWMAN 33 years Bachelor Engineer 89,Livingstone Street.DAVID BOWMAN father Stonemason.

Ethel Diamond Spinster 346A,Price Street, John Diamond father, Blacksmith
the wedding took place in the Church of St.Peter, Birkenhead
Thanks

I see from above that you have David as being a stonemason. Is this from the 1915 marriage cert? Can you please give us the address for John from that cert?

Been mystified in looking for my grandparents and as I am 75 I wonder if I will ever know. The names James Bowman must be the most popular in the UK. I have the marriages of James.All his children's names, all the info on his suicide,also a photograph of his gravestone. Have no birth certificate to authenticate DOB or place of birth or how he came to meet Ethel Diamond. Was he in the 1914-1918 war was he a soldier, was he a marine man who knows. Certificates say that he was a marine engineer and others that he was an engine fitter. Who was this man, what was his occupation,where did he come from, who was his mother.I have no idea and would be grateful for any info what so ever. Thanks

Dorothy is looking for the birth of Richard Bell Bowman and his wife Sarah Calvert...she has death and marriage cert's, would like to get birth ones..

Name: Richard Bell Bowman
Year of Registration: 1861
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Carlisle
County: Cumbria, Cumberland
Volume: 10b
Page: 402

Hi Dorothy, Is this the one your looking for??


Cant find Sarah Calvert, are we still looking at Carlisle? what year did they marry, please?

Misty x

Edit...No just looked at the tree on Ancestry...
It's Richard Bell Bowman 1828 and Sarah Calvert 1830 !

Hi Misty, Thanks for your help. I did not know how to use the threads but have just done so . This is my tree as I know it. I do however have David Bowman as a Stone Mason. Jane Deary as a Jane Kelly before marriage. Parringtons come in this way-------------John Edward Bowman aka James wed Ethel Diamond and had Robert Arthur b1916 and Ethel b 1919. Ethel wed WilliamHenry Parrington b1897. She was his second wife and my mother. I was born in 1939 and they wed in 1941 (Parringtons had a habit of putting the horse before the cart) I am Dorothy, Hilda b 1942, Marilyn b 1946 Robert b 1948 and Kenneth b 1963. I have located lots of data on the family but had a real problem locating John Edward Bowmans 2nd marriage to a lady called Dorothea Jacquilene???????? and also his subsequent death. It would be great to keep in touch and sort out this tangle. Hope that you have a super day, Dorothy

Marriages Sep 1887
BOWMAN David Carlisle 10b 645
Deary Jane Carlisle 10b 645

???
Births Mar 1862
DEARY Jane Brampton 10b 378

1871 England Census
Name: Jane Deary
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Trena
Gender: Female
Where born: Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Civil Parish: Botchergate
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England
Street address: 1 Hamilton Court

Occupation:

Registration district: Carlisle
Sub-registration district: St Cuthbert
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 66
Household Members:
Name Age
John Deary 32 - sawyer
Trena Deary 33
Jane Deary 9
John Deary 7
Joseph Robinson Deary 3
William James Deary 5
Andrew Deary 1

All born Carlisle.

Dorothy.....If you have access, there is a tree on Ancestry( under Ethel Diamond, Birkenhead) with lots of info...Of course the info may not be accurate...

Misty x

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

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Births Jun 1916 (>99%)
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Bowman Robert A Diamond Birkenhead 8a 882

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Births Dec 1919 (>99%)
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Bowman Ethel Diamond Birkenhead 8a 812

Here is there children

Could you tell us where the name Parrington comes in please

???

1901 England Census about John Bowman
Name: John Bowman
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Son
Father's Name: David
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Civil Parish: Westgate
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: Durham

Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne

Name Age
David Bowman 37......Barman
Jane Bowman 37
John Bowman 13
Richard Bowman 11
Margaret Bowman 9

20 Duke Street

Misty x

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1915 (>99%)
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Bowman James Diamond Birkenhead 8a 1166 <<<<<
Diamond Ethel Bowman Birkenhead 8a 1166 <<<<<
Green Jane Peacock Birkenhead 8a 1166
Peacock William E W Green Birkenhead 8a 1166

The marriage of JAMES to Ethel,for ref

???? is this the family

1891 England Census about David Bowman
Name: David Bowman
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Carlisle
Civil Parish: Westgate
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: Northumberland
Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: Westgate

Name Age
David Bowman 28
Jane Bowman 28
John E Bowman 3...c 1888, Carlisle
Rihard B Bowman 1
Andrew Kelly 45

Misty x

28 George Street

James was born 1883 in Carlisle,Cumbria(so we believe) to David Bowman. He wed an Ethel Diamond in 1915 and had 2 children Arthur Robert and Ethel. I am a child of Ethel. He wed again in 1929 and in 1938 he wed Dorothea Martin. He committed suicide in April 1938. Does anyone have any info on James or David prior to 1915. Thanks