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Just looking at my certificate on the marriage of James to Annie Spong yes the father of James is David and he was a Stonemason/journeyman deceased. Now turned the page and find David was also cited as James father on the marriage to Dorothea. It is amazing the discrepancies that are on the forms relating to James.All the marriages tie in the same age as being born 1883. The headstone on the grave also,the death certificate,coroners report too but the burial in consecrated ground gives his age as 65years.His career is also different engineer,engine fitter,marine engineer/shipyard. This definitely is my grandfather but his birth and prior info I hit a brick wall.Thanks

First name(s) ANNIE
Last name SUMNER
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1914
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ ANNIE SUMNER married
HERBERT SPONG
Spouse's last name SPONG
District BARTON UPON IRWELL
District number -
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8C
Page 1459


SPONG HERBERT 1879 1926 1926 Deaths & burials Wirral, Cheshire, England


SPONG ARTHUR 1915 — 1915 Births & baptisms Barton upon Irwell, Lancashire, England

SPONG LESLIE 1917 — 1917 Births & baptisms Barton upon Irwell, Lancashire, England

The stated occupations are not incompatible with each other.

He was obviously basically an engineer, employed in slightly different capacities at the different stages of his life

Sorry, Dorothy, not finding anything. Every lead I have followed has turned out not to be the right James.

Hi yes it is the most frustrating journey to find info that I have been on so I am not surprised to hear you say that. There are so many James Bowman people. As he was so consistent in using James, I feel that this really was his name. It is amazing how both of my grandfathers are mysteries, they both seem to have just "appeared". I will just have to join the "Carry on gang" and carry on searching. I did wonder if there was a name change to the surname but once again this was consistent.
Just a thought that passed through my mind ----he was 33 yrs when he wed my grandmother could he have had a previous marriage

I keep coming to this one born in right year.
1891Abergale Wales
James Bowman a boarder born 1882 Abergale
Arthur 1884 Abergale
With a Elizabeth Edwards

1901 Scotland
Robert Conkie born Scotland 1846
Agnes 1846 Scotland
Then they have as children
Christina Bowman 1879 England
James Bowman 1883 wales apprentice marine engineer
Arthur n Bowman 1885 (Neil)?
Alexander B Bowman 1876 England(Widnes Lancashire)
Rosina Bowman(his Wife)
Grace B Bowman 10months

Alexander B Bowman was also a engineer as was Arthur N Bowman.Alexander and wife Mary(maybe second wife?) went to USA followed by their son Jeffrey born Scotland 1912 in 1929.

If someone could check the 1901 Scotland census to come up the exact connection between the Conki's and Bowman's it may throw up some clues.

The only problem is I have searched this family and it looks like their parents were Peter Bowman born Scotland @ 1846 die 1890 Wales and Mary nee McArthur.

I thought it was worth a go as if they were in Scotland,it could be the reason I couldn't find them in 1911.
I also thought James's son Arthur Robert might have been named after the brother Arthur!!

Maryb

Could someone who has FMP Sub please have a look at the baptismal record for Arthur Neil Bowman 1885 Abergele Denbighshire to see if it sheds any light on his parentage as I feel he is the brother of the James Bowman that Maryb has found above.

Edit

There is also a baptismal record for a James Bowman 1882 in the same collection

Viewing these records might help in our search for James or confirm this is one to eliminate.

Thanks in advance....

Info off Ancestry tree,so please check
Peter Bowman 1846-1890 Wales married Mary Henney McArthur 1846-1911(Cant find her 1901/11)
Had Arthur Neil who married Jane Donald Guthrie and had son Arthur Neil 1919-2003.

Maryb

First name(s) ARTHUR NEIL
Last name BOWMAN
Birth year 1885
Birth day -
Birth month -
Baptism year 1885
Baptism day 04
Baptism month Jan
Baptism place ABERGELE
Father's first name(s) Peter
Mother's first name(s) Mary
County Denbighshire
Country Wales
Record set Denbigh Baptisms

JAMES has the same parents

Did he give any indication of a previous marriage when he married your granmother?

Form one of your posts on here

-John Edward Bowman aka James wed Ethel Diamond

Would you explain, please

First name(s) JOHN EDWARD
Last name BOWMAN
Birth year 1882
Birth quarter 4
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District EAST WARD
County Westmorland
Country England
Volume 10B
Page 649


First name(s) JOHN EDWARD
Last name BOWMAN
Birth year 1883
Birth quarter 1
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District GATESHEAD
County Durham
Country England
Volume 10A
Page 923

Thanks Jacqueline. Hmmmm Father not David. I cant help thinking there is a Scottish connection somewhere along the line for James as we can't see a birth registration for him on FreeBMD.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1321688

James said that he was a bachelor when he wed my grandmother Ethel Diamond in 1915
Regards the John Edward Bowman this was the person and family that always came up as the only possibility and I did not have any clear info to go on. It has been suggested that he was older than the age he gave but he was very consistent in his age so I don't know on this one.

How about this family.....would make James 10yrs older than he stated but maybe he did fib...some other info fits...

1891

David Bowman Head Married Male 64 1827 *Manager Limestone Quarrier* Blackwell, Cumberland, England

Elizabeth Bowman Wife Married Female 53 1838 - Dearham, Cumberland, England

John William Bowman Son Single Male 22 1869 Assistant Clerk Cockermouth, Cumberland, England

*James P Bowman* Son Single Male 18 1873 *Engine Fitter* Brigham, Cumberland, England

David G Bowman Son Single Male 15 1876 Gas Fitter Land Plumber Brigham, Cumberland, England

Lillie Bowman Daughter Single Female 12 1879 Scholar Brigham, Cumberland, England

Tom Bowman Son Single Male 10 1881 Scholar Brigham, Cumberland, England

Evan James Bowman Son Single Male 4 1887 Scholar Brigham, Cumberland, England

Ada R Thompon Servant Single Female 16 1875 General Servant Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Misty x

Maybe Davids death.....

Deaths Jun 1895

BOWMAN David 68 Cockermouth 10b 363

Misty x

Edit....maybe not

First name(s) JAMES P
Last name BOWMAN
Birth year 1878......
Age 49
Death quarter 4
Death year 1927
District GATESHEAD
County Durham
Volume 10A
Page 915
Country England

Quarry manager is not a Stone mason

In 1871 David is a Lime Agent

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Village of Brigham, Brigham, Cockermouth, Cumberland, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
David Bowman Head Married Male 52 1829 Quarry Agent Blackwell, Cumberland, England Transcription
Elizabeth Bowman Wife Married Female 34 1847 Quarry Agent Wife Northamptonshire, England Transcription
John W Bowman Son Single Male 12 1869 Scholar Cockermouth, Cumberland, England Transcription
James B Bowman Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Brigham, Cumberland, England Transcription
David G Bowman Son Single Male 5 1876 Scholar Brigham, Cumberland, England Transcription
Lizzie Bowman Daughter Single Female 3 1878 - Brigham, Cumberland, England Transcription
Tom Bowman Son Single Male 0 1881 - Brigham, Cumberland, England



BOWMAN JAMES BARKER 1872 — 1872 Births & baptisms Cockermouth, Cumberland, England


Elizabeth's maiden name was Barker



First name(s) James Barker
Last name Bowman
Name note -
Age 21
Marriage year 1893
Marriage date 26 Dec 1893
Marriage place Workington, Cumberland, England
Father's first name(s) David
Father's last name Bowman
Mother's first name(s) -
Mother's last name -
Spouse's first name(s) Alpha Barnes
Spouse's last name Porter



1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
6 Broughton Terrace Leeds, Leeds, Yorkshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
James B Bowman Head Married Male 39 1872 Cumberland Brigham Engineer Transcription
Alpha B Bowman Wife Married Female 38 1873 Cumberland Wigan - Transcription
James P Bowman Son Single Male 16 1895 Cumberland Wkiton Cabinet Maker Transcription
David C Bowman Son Single Male 15 1896 Cumberland Workington Packer Transcription
Stanley Bowman Son - Male 12 1899 Cumberland Workington School Transcription
Jessie G Bowman Daughter - Female 9 1902 Cumberland Workington - Transcription
Muriele I Bowman Daughter - Female 3 1908 Yorkshire Leeds - Transcription
Fred Bowman Son - Male 0 1911 Yorkshire Leeds - Transcription



BOWMAN ALPHA B 1872 1938 1938 Deaths & burials Leeds North, Yorkshire, England


BOWMAN JAMES B 1873 1958 1958 Deaths & burials Leeds, Yorkshire, England

Have you considered that James may have been illegitimate but David
Bowman [1863] may have been his father when he was still a Mason.
Is it known what his trade was when he married Jane Deary.

There are no other David Bowman's who were Mason's after 1881-- there was one in 1851 who was born 1820 Scotland but he became a Miner by 1861.

Mavis