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what we want for this fella is names of his parents so we can go further back so its deffo a marriage cert is the way forward

and this is Walter

1891 England Census
Name: Walter Knight
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Romsley, Worcestershire, England

Civil Parish: Romsley
Ecclesiastical parish: St Kenelm
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Bromsgrove
Sub-registration district: Belbroughton
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Hill 50
Joseph Hill 27
William Hill 24
Frederick Hill 18
Jennie Hill 8
****************Walter Knight 20

Could this be them in 1891?

1891 England Census
Name: Jason Knight
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: Romsley, Worcestershire, England

Civil Parish: Romsley
Ecclesiastical parish: St Kenelm
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Bromsgrove
Sub-registration district: Belbroughton
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Jason Knight 43
Eliza Knight 36
Wm Thos Knight 15 (mis-transcribed - surname Hughes on original)?
Emma Knight 5
Harry Knight 2 (think born Charles Harry)
Teresa Knight 4/12

well we have two marriage certs that can be purchased as he appeared to have gotten married twice!

good thinkin to have both wives called eliza...getting names mixed up wouldnt have been a prob for him!! :)

LOL, not really Derek, we still havent got the birth cert, but I think the first thing is the marriage cert. The BVRI Margaret gave has father as John Knight. But dont really know if this Jason is a Knight or not now.

off with their heads that wot i say

so is the mystery solved or we still on?

The Male Knight - that is the reference Dawn pmd me.

Derek, not talking about repeating particularly but the fact that sometimes some one can give really decent information but the OP doesnt seem to notice if it is a few posts back.

yes i stand down its an I not a J....late night last night bit boss eyed :)

Aargh. ;)

I wasn't talking at anybody in particular -- just pointing out that the 'male' birth, if that's the one Dawn or anybody else was looking at, would ordinarily be for a child who died very shortly after birth.

That and the "I-----" birth are two that had been mentioned -- the "male" can pretty much be discarded, and the "I----" seems to be the wrong year ...

in defence of someone who has repeated something some one said before. i read all posts but sometimes thishappens because I have read something and by the time i have responded some one adds the same thing I was going to add .

Well at least it shows people are on the same wavelenght.

Nope, I wasnt talking about you :) Ive just had to read what you actually put! You found a birth for a Knight in 1845? Nope, definitely hadnt even taken that on board, I was referring to the birth in 1841 that Dawn is looking for.

Its just how often very good info is missed by the OPs because they tend to read the last post and not previous ones. And just see/comment on the last bit of info. As you state in your posting there "simple question, often asked" ............ which just backs up what I said.

I didnt suggest the "male" birth - its the one that Dawn has been pursuing - Im not sure why - thats why I asked her. (see my previous post)

I don't think you were talking to/about me, Heather? I saw Margaret's and I think it's a good one, I just wanted to address the "J" possible.

As for the "male" -- that is almost always used for a birth where the infant died very shortly after birth, without being named.


Dawn - you have got to reply by posting in the thread, not by private message! Just like we all do.

Click on the purple Reply button up at the top of the thread, and a box will open so you can type your message.

They hide it that way so you won't find it.

Dawn pmd with this as the ref for the 1841 birth???


"Birth ref is Stourbridge 18 400. I don't know if this is the correct format for 1841- not been here before"

We would like to know where you got that from Dawn?

Ah, right, found it, you have got an un named Male child Knight : September quarter 1841. Why do you think this is definitely him?

Sept 1841
Knight Male Stourbridge 18 400

If you use that ref on the GRO online site you can buy the cert for £7. It may be that you have asked the local office for it? - they do not use the same referencing system as GRO.

I think Margarets bvri information above is the most useful bit of evidence. Fathers name given as John Knight,.


As kindly supplied by Margaret above (I never understand it, but it always amazes me how posters never seem to read the information before their own posts)

KNIGHT, Jason Marriage
Wife: Eliza WAGSTAFF
Marriage Date: 24 May 1885 Recorded in: Clent, Worcestershire, England
Husband previously married
Wife previously married
Husband's Father: John KNIGHT
Wife's Father: Thomas SMITH
Source: FHL Film 1042161 Dates: 1858 - 1906 Note: Additional Data in Original Record

Odd one!

FreeBMD has it as:

Births Jun 1845
KNIGHT I* Bromsgrove 18 211

It is an I, not a J -- alphabetical order and all that; it comes after Hester and before Isaac. But it could be a misreading.

And what the original actually says is:

Knight I---------

-- i.e. a big long line where the rest of the name would be.

Could be that the GRO transcribers couldn't read the name!

So I'm dying of suspense -- *is* that the one you tried to order, and if not, what was it???

Simple question, asked repeatedly, no answer!

I wonder what this name really is???
Name: Paceen Knight
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Maria
Gender: Male
Where born: Bromsgrove, Worcestershire, England

Civil Parish: Bromsgrove
Ecclesiastical parish: Catshill Christ Church
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Bromsgrove
Sub-registration district: Bromsgrove
ED, institution, or vessel: 2m
Household schedule number: 59
Household Members: Name Age
John Knight 68
Maria Knight 53
Rosanah Knight 27
Richard Knight 19
Dinah Knight 16
George Knight 14
Henry Knight 8
Paceen Knight 7
Emma Knight 9 Mo
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2047; Folio: 351; Page: 14;


Maureen

Do you have this? It's from BVRI:

KNIGHT, Jason Marriage
Wife: Eliza WAGSTAFF
Marriage Date: 24 May 1885 Recorded in: Clent, Worcestershire, England
Husband previously married
Wife previously married
Husband's Father: John KNIGHT
Wife's Father: Thomas SMITH
Source: FHL Film 1042161 Dates: 1858 - 1906 Note: Additional Data in Original Record

i think she was suggesting Charles Knight married Mary Trow and adopted Jason and they all changed their names but not to be

As put before: there is a unidentified J... Knight born 1845 Bromsgrove which could be him

but this dont explain why he is not on census until he is much older

Weve already been looking at that one further up :) Sadly there is also a Jason Trow that fits the bill for that marriage. The Knight marriages have been found.

No good speculating though, the marriage cert is the way forward.

Still cant understand where the birth ref is?

Jason Trow got married

Marriages Dec 1867 (>99%)
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TROW Jason Bromsgrove 6c 672