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read my previous post you tired thing you!!!!!!!!!

And her middle name wasn't Sarah -- this birthdate is a little off, but surely there weren't that many Isabel Sadgrove-s around. Marriage cert will give father's name?

ISABEL ELIZA SADGROVE
Birth: 11 MAR 1834
Christening: 01 JUN 1834 Stockwell New Chapel Independent, Lambeth, Surrey, England
Father: WM. HARRY SADGROVE
Mother: JULIA CROLE HAMMOND
Batch No.: C097911

I have found the Isabels under Isabelle/isabella/isabel and isabell,but not under sarah before.
sadgroves I find under sadengren and all sorts,but she has always been some kind of isabel.

I have had more than one cert have a different name to the census, they weren't too careful with their transcribing. Even my nan's sister plain old florence gets all sorts of variations on each census.

I guess what I'm trying to say is "don't try and create another mystery"!! It is the right family, just one wrong name, and that happens all the time, ask evie beavie!!

Wrong one Janey.
Mothers name isabella.

1841 in Greenwich:

William Sadgrove 40
Julia Sadgrove 40
Julia Sadgrove 10
Isabel Sadgrove 5 (not born in county)
Harold Sadgrove 5
Alice Hammond 35


Names match up nicely -- Harold for brother, Hammond for grandmother, and sister Julia is in the same batch in the IGI.

What? How do you know mother's name is Isabella?

With a brother Harold and you think it isn't her?

Hmmmm.

1841 England Census
about William Sadgren
Name: William Sadgren
[William Sadgrove]
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
Hundred: Ossulstone (Tower Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Holywell and Moorfields

On her marriage cert ,,father william is an upholsterer.
On 1841 isabel//la is at some sort of school by grandpa william and in 1851 is staying with grandpa william sadgrove{cabinet maker employing 25 men}

Well. So says you.

So who's been tarting up their records at Ancestry then?

1841

Name: Isabella Sadgren
[Isabella Sadgrove]
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Gender: Female

Civil parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
Hundred: Ossulstone (Tower Division)
County/Island: Middlesex

etc.


Corrections for Isabella Sadgren - 1841 England Census
Correction Detail:
Surname: Sadgrove
Correction Type: Transcription Error
Explanation: known to be Sadgrove at this address
Contributed By: ____
Contributed On: 04/11/2006


Someone by another name, or are you in touch?

fmp again:
Name Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
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SADGROVE, William M 40 1801 VIEW
SADGROVE, Julia F 40 1801 VIEW
SADGROVE, Julia F 10 1831 VIEW
SADGROVE, Isabel F 5 1836 Kent VIEW
SADGROVE, Harold M 5 1836 Kent VIEW
HAMMOND, Alice F 35 1806 VIEW
SHEARMAN, Eleanor F 30 1811 VIEW
HART, Caroline F 20 1821 Kent VIEW
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RG number:
HO107 Piece:
489 Book/Folio:
11/28 Page:
13

Registration District:
Greenwich Sub District:
Greenwich, West EnumerationDistrict:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Greenwich Municipal Borough:
Greenwich Address:
Van's Hart Terrace, Greenwich

gonna leave it 'cos I hate deleting, but congrats janey!

Brucie says that one's wrong. Hmm. I dunno. Harold ...

Maybe they all just thought Isabella was a nicer name??!!!

Julias husband isnt a upholsterer,but isabelles is.
Thats my reasoning for isabelle as mum and not julia.

can't find a birth for isabelle in 1837??

Thank you ladies,I must away to my bed now,the eyes are tired.
But I am sure it will all be sorted when I awake refreshed,to check how you have put me right.!
B

Oh yeah,and on the 1868 mc of isabel sadgrove and thomas james pullen isabels father is given as plain william,no harry for second name,no second name at all ,at all.
And being such "educated"" wealthy" people I would have thought it would have been given if he had one?
B

Snarky, snarky, now.

I still like Harold.

William & William Harry couldn't have been brothers.

So all Sadgroves named their children Isabel and Harold!

And then they called themselves Sarah and Mohammed on the censuses, just for a lark. ;)

Oh RASPBERRIES.
thpit ,thpit
now I will have to spend more hours and hours rechecking everything.
Bed here I come.

She's so easy to wind up.

Your upholderer / plain William / Isabella hypothesis makes perfect sense, of course.

Show us Isabel in 1841 when you get a chance?


Reading Sadgrove mistranscriptions is quite entertaining, if nothing else. I see a Sadfrong, too. I have a distant ancestor named Strongitharm. You should see what Ancestry has managed to do with that one. (The other person besides me who has corrected masses of them has a one-name study going and actually lives in Canada and shares my occupation! but we've never figured out any relationship.)

1841 England Census
about Isabella Sadgrove
Name: Isabella Sadgrove
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Gender: Female
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St John Hackney
Hundred: Ossulstone (Tower Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: West Hackney
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Isabella Sadgrove 7 ,,,pupil

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1851 England Census
about Isabel Sadgnove
Name: Isabel Sadgnove
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Gender: Female
Where born: Hackney, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Holywell
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
William Sadgnove 49
Isabella Sadgnove 52
William H P Sadgnove 18
Isabel Sadgnove 16
Harriet Sadgnove 15
Emma E Goodared 18
Mary Kallahin 21

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I believe these to be her,

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But there are these as well that are connected somehow,probably grandparents.They have the same addressish that isabel had in 1841.
One is brunswick house and the other brunswick cottage.


1851 England Census
about William Sadgrove
Name: William Sadgrove
Age: 70
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1781
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: West Hackney
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: West Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 190
Household Members:
Name Age
William Sadgrove 70
Elizabeth Sadgrove 68
Anna Mc Kellers 19
Alfred Sadgrove 15
Daniel J Mc Kellers 25
Lydia Tlnibb 45
Lydia Dyer 21
James W Mc Kellers 6 Mo
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wheres the sadfrong??