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LadyKira
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12 May 2009 14:25 |
Your Mariann was born 1884 If that list was 1881
George KIMBERLY W 47 Equestrian Comedian (Performer)
was born 1834
Q1 where are his children
Q2 Where are the rest of the Dickens family
This is a list of the circus performers only
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LadyKira
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12 May 2009 14:37 |
It was definitely 1881
1881 Address: 33, Bulls Head Inn, Sheep Street, Northampton St Sepulchre DICKENS, John Head Married M 40 1841 Licensed Victualler Northampton Northamptonshire DICKENS, Marion Wife Married F 35 1846 Operatic Artist (Painter) Birmingham Warwickshire DICKENS, Arthur Son Single M 18 1863 Pianist (Musician) Glasgow DICKENS, Emily Daughter Single F 6 1875 Scholar Duston Northamptonshire
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LadyKira
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12 May 2009 14:38 |
This is young Arthur 1891 Address: 46, Balfern Street, Battersea DICKENS, Arthur Head Married M 28 1863 House Decorator Kentish Town London VIEW DICKENS, Emily Wife Married F 24 1867 Wardour Wiltshire VIEW DICKENS, Arthur James Son M 1 1890 Battersea Surrey
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12 May 2009 14:40 |
1871 Address: St James End Green Man, Duston SABBAGE, William Head M 50 1821 Northamptonshire VIEW DICKENS, John Head M 56 1815 Northamptonshire VIEW DICKENS, Ann Wife F 52 1819 Northamptonshire VIEW DICKENS, Arther Grandson M 8 1863 Scotland
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AuntySherlock
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12 May 2009 14:50 |
Need to regroup. Mariann's mothers name was Dickinson. Her father's name was Alfred. He was the son of George. I think I need to establish siblings for Alfred and a wife for George prior to 1881. That will take care of the names. Marriage/birth certificates I would suggest.
I have just spent a very unfruitful hour searching for a marriage in several other states in Australia. I had made the assumption that because they arrived in and settled in one place they may have been married there. That was really dumb because the ship they travelled on (on separate dates!!) docked at other ports before arriving at their embarkation point. You can fill in the scenario yourself. However, like most ideas it turned out to be incorrect. So back to the drawing board. And this time it really is goodnight.
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Choccy
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12 May 2009 15:02 |
Nite, see you tomorrow
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LadyKira
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12 May 2009 15:04 |
reference
Marriages Jun 1883 (>99%) DICKINSON Elizabeth Edmonton 3a 351 KIMBERLEY Alfred George Edmonton 3a 351
I cannot find Elizabeth in 1881
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LadyKira
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12 May 2009 15:06 |
sleep well!
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LadyKira
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12 May 2009 15:15 |
Births Dec 1885 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kimberley Beatrice Ada M Doncaster 9c 721
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LadyKira
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12 May 2009 15:19 |
Births Jun 1889 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kimberley Florence Elsie M Huddersfield 9a 333
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LadyKira
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12 May 2009 15:23 |
no still no 1891
could they have been touring?
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Choccy
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12 May 2009 15:27 |
Christine, let's plod on while she's asleep on the other side of the world -
Marriage of Elizabeth Dickinson's parents?
Marriages Sep 1858 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dickinson William Marylebone 1a 829 Whitney Marianne Marylebone 1a 829
(note 'Marianne')
Birth of Elizabeth -
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Sep 1859 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DICKINSON Elizabeth Shrewsbury 6a 599
1861 census -
1861 England Census Name: Elizabeth Dickinson Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relation: Granddaughter Mother's Name: Marianne Gender: Female Where born: Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England Civil Parish: St Chad Ecclesiastical parish: St Chad Town: Shrewsbury County/Island: Shropshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration district: Shrewsbury Sub-registration district: St Chad ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 19 Household Members: Name Age George Whitley 61 (Chemist) Elizabeth Whitley 61 Elizabeth Whitley 28 Catherine Whitley 27 Emma Whitley 25 Marianne Dickinson 24 Elizabeth Dickinson 1 ************* Catherine Dickinson 2 Mo (another daughter) (these below are either apprentice chemists or servants) Walter Payne 26 William Jone 19 Charles Garnold 16 Elizabeth Morris 30 Ellen Simmonds 10 Ann Lewis 19 Thomas Bowdler 31 Mary Bowdler 65 George R Bowdler 24 Mary Ann Catorn 11 Jane Elizh Catorn 9 Marid Lloyd 15 1871 census -
1871 England Census Name: Elizabeth Dickinson Age: 11 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: William (said to be an Agent) ? Mother's Name: Mary Anne Gender: Female Where born: Shrewsbury Civil Parish: Edgbaston Ecclesiastical parish: St George County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View Image Registration district: Kings Norton Sub-registration district: Edgbaston ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 21 Household Members: Name Age William Dickinson 41 Mary Anne Dickinson 31 Elizabeth Dickinson 11 Catherine M Dickinson 9 George W Dickinson 7 Walter Dickinson 3 Ada Dickinson 12 months (these are servants) Charlotte Walker 53 Jane Hall 15
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Choccy
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12 May 2009 15:29 |
Now to try and find Alfred prior to his marriage to Elizabeth
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LadyKira
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12 May 2009 15:33 |
Is that the right birth? You have it as Wandsworth.
Marriages Sep 1908 (>99%)
CHAPMAN Charles Edwin Wandsworth 1d 1102 DIXON Sidney Wandsworth 1d 1102 KIMBERLEY Florence Elsie M Wandsworth 1d 1102 PLANT Mary Ann Wandsworth 1d 1102
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LadyKira
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12 May 2009 15:40 |
Births Sep 1859 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DICKINSON Elizabeth Shrewsbury 6a 599
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Choccy
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12 May 2009 15:40 |
You've lost me. ? Wandsworth. Elizabeth Dickinson, Mariann's mother, was born in Shrewsbury wasn't she?
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Choccy
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12 May 2009 15:43 |
Think this is Alfred Kimberley, a scholar, 'boarding' at the age of 4 years! Perhaps the family were 'on tour' ...
1861 England Census Name: Alfred Kimberly Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857 Relation: Boarder Gender: Male Where born: Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Civil Parish: Cheltenham Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration district: Cheltenham Sub-registration district: Cheltenham ED, institution, or vessel: 31 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 135 Household Members: Name Age Richard Phillips 76 Mary Phillips 70 Alfred Phillips 31 Emma Roberts 14 **********************Alfred Kimberly 4 John Hanmrouth 30 Mary Ann Hanmrouth 30 Hopefully he'll be with his family on the next census, so that we can see if he had any siblings.
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LadyKira
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12 May 2009 15:45 |
1901 Address: 81, Grant Road, Battersea KIMBERLEY, Alfred G Head Married M 44 1857 Comedian Cheltenham Gloucestershire KIMBERLEY, Elizabeth Wife Married F 41 1860 Shresbury Salop KIMBERLEY, Beatrice A M Daughter F 15 1886 General Servant Doncaster Yorkshire KIMBERLEY, Florence E M Daughter F 12 1889 Hudderfield Yorkshire KIMBERLEY, Ada Katherine Daughter F 3 1898 Battersea London
Births Jun 1889 (>99%) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kimberley Florence Elsie M Huddersfield 9a 333
It is the right birth not Wandsworth
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Choccy
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12 May 2009 15:47 |
Aha, in Scotland - bit of a nuisance - only transcribed information
1871 Scotland Census Name: Alfred Kimberly Age: 14 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857 Relationship: Son Father's Name: George (born Binnington, Warwickshire) 1834 Mother's Name: Annie (born Cheltenham, Glos) 1835 Gender: Male Where born: Cheltenham, Glostershire Registration Number: 644/6 Registration district: Blythswood Civil Parish: Glasgow Barony County: Lanarkshire Address: No 163 Coweaddens St 1st Front Land Occupation: Equesterian (cirem) ******************long term occupation ED: 52 Household schedule number: 57 Line: 23 Roll: CSSCT1871_134 Household Members: Name Age George Kimberly 37 Annie Kimberly 36 Alfred Kimberly 14 Edward Knight 8 - equestrian scholar Henrie Permane 5 - equestrian scholar Doesn't look like there are any siblings
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LadyKira
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12 May 2009 15:51 |
Hello Choccy
You posted things in between while I was still thinking. I was considering Florence. She has her as born Wandsworth.
Good census finds though Choccy. (MMM love the name)
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