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Hi There,

I did spot the Harriet Maria name and thought that she was probably her sister. Will now have whole new connections to search for!
Choccy, I didn't have time last night to inform YI as I had spent so much time sorting out Mary E Woolhouse. I have been at work all day so will do it now.
Thanks to everyone who helped me!

Diane xxx

Best wishes Diane for the birth of your first grandchild. Glad to have been of some help with your quest.

(it might be an idea to post something on the YI site to say its been sorted - if you haven't already of course - I haven't looked!)

SARAH MARIA WOOLHOUSE Pedigree
Female

Christening: 06 JUL 1826 Kirkheaton, Yorkshire, England

Parents:
Father: GEORGE WOOLHOUSE Family
Mother: MARY


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Other children of George and Mary

1. WILLIAM SYKES WOOLHOUSE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 14 JUN 1818 Kirkheaton, Yorkshire, England

2. EDWIN SYKES WOOLHOUSE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 07 JUN 1829 Kirkheaton, Yorkshire, England

3. HENRY WOOLHOUSE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 27 DEC 1813 Kirkheaton, Yorkshire, England

4. SARAH MARIA WOOLHOUSE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 06 JUL 1826 Kirkheaton, Yorkshire, England

5. CHARLES SYKES WOOLHOUSE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 14 JAN 1821 Kirkheaton, Yorkshire, England

6. JOSEPH WOOLHOUSE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 26 DEC 1823 Kirkheaton, Yorkshire, England

Looks like Sykes may have been Mary's surname??

GEORGE WOOLHOUSE Pedigree
Male Family

Marriages:
Spouse: MARY SYKES Family
Marriage: 22 MAY 1809 Kirkheaton, Yorkshire, England


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Mary Elizabeth Woolhouse Pedigree
Female


Christening: 27 DEC 1847 Kirkheaton, Yorkshire, England

Parents:
Mother: Sarah Maria Woolhouse Family

It looks to me as though Sarah Maria could have had a sister Harriet.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about Sarah Maria Woolhouse
Name: Sarah Maria Woolhouse
Year of Registration: 1850
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Huddersfield
County: Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire
Volume: 22
Page: 270

Nancy Bentley 1850 Huddersfield Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire

Mary Ann Cox 1850 Huddersfield Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire

Nathaniel Dickson 1850 Huddersfield Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire

Mary Ellam 1850 Huddersfield Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire
>>> James Hirst 1850 Huddersfield Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire

Benjamin Shaw 1850 Huddersfield Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire

Charles Turner 1850 Huddersfield Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire

Harriet Maria Woolhouse 1850 Huddersfield Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire

>>>>> Sarah Maria Woolhouse 1850 Huddersfield Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire

I also doubted the birth certificate of George Herbert. I was convinced that Kay had got the wrong one! Of course the chances of two George Herbert Hirsts being born on the same day in the same place were pretty remote. Nevertheless I did doubt it. Such a relief to have solved that one! I can now look forward to the imminent birth of my first grandchild, due last Friday! I have been so engrossed in this that I haven't given it my due attention! It won't make any difference anyway. It will turn up when it;s ready. Do you think we will cause our descendents so much trouble a few hundred years down the line?!

Diane xxx

YIPPEEEE - well done you. Won't your cousin be pleased, after the doubts I had over the birth certificate of GHH!

Eureka!!!!!!!!!
I decided to look for a marriage for James Hirst, publican at the Brown Cow. His wife was Sarah Maria................... Woolhouse!!!!!!!!!!
Mary E was obviously the daughter of Sarah Maria! Mary was born in 1847 and Sarah Maria and James Hirstr married in 1850. What a relief to have sorted that one out! I still don't know who his father was. Probably never will.

Dianexxx

I have some new info. Kirklees Registry Office have no record of a Mary Elizabeth Hirst born at the time that the one at the Brown Cow Inn (census 1871) would have been born. I think she was Mary Elizabeth Woolhouse and that George was the illegitimate child of a Hirst male. Not necessarily the boys listed in the census. That would explain why he was said to be brought up with his grandparents. Mary E Woolhouse only married in 1879 and it was probably then that he moved out of the Brown Cow. So all I need to know now is WHO WAS HIS FATHER!!!!!!! It is strange that at the time of her marriage there was a marriage between Charles Hirst and Jane Hirst. I wonder if they had anything to do with it? Supposition, which should never be done! I just thought that all who are interested would like to know!

Diane xxx

Thanks Janet,
I think my cousin would like that. I think I will do it for her as I don't recall seeing it in the book. She sent me some lovely photos from The States of her and her family and it would be nice to do something for her. I haven't had any replies from the people I emailed. I was so hoping I would have by now.

Diane xxx

Hi Diane
Just a bit more information on George Herbert. I have just opened my Hudderfield Examiner this morning to read a story about the founder of the paper Joseph Woodhead. Listed are his interests which included cricket. It then shows a brilliant photo possibly c 1910 of three local cricketers Wilfred Rhodes, George Herbert Hirst, Schofield Haigh(a gr tried to connect this man to my tree which I haven't as yet managed) and the founder Joseph Woodhead. This picture may be in the book but if not it will be possible to order from the Examiner.-JLe

I have contacted all the people that Mary mentioned, Fern, Alan and Richard. I will just have to wait and see if they reply.

Diane xxx

He is related to my cousin, who is the same age as my children. I have been helping her do her tree for her dad. We have managed to find out an awful lot but this George Herbert Hirst saga has proved challenging!

Diane xxx

Hi Dianne,How are you related to george

maryb

OOooooher! This is getting exciting! Will investigate the info supplied. Thanks Mary.

Diane xxx

Ps Choccy, I didn't get anything on the Yorkshire site but am hopeful someone must have the info I need.

Yes, George Herbert Hirst did marry Emma Kilner in 1896!

I have been trawling through google info today and this came up.

someone called Fern Blackman in 2005 was asking for people connected to george herbert to get intouch with her,she has a amelia hirst born in nottinghamshire in 1880 who insisted she was 1st cousin to george herbert her email at the time was [email protected].
I don't think it is a problem incuding her e.mail as she had it on a thread on here in 2005.She is on Genesreunited.

Also on another site there was a reply to someone thanking them for putting them right with Mary e marrying john Berry and that Mary e was the mother of George herbert and that she probably had been married before.
tha writer of that message was a Alan hirst from London e.mail was

[email protected] his message was in 2002.
There is also someone on genes by the name of Richard Capewell who has Mary hirst and parents and siblings.

Did George Herbert marry Emma kilner?
A George henry woolhouse married a Annie Kilner in Huddersfield 1895,don't know if there is any connection though.

Regards Maryb.

Hi,

I have just got back in after helping our daughter at her cafe. I will google Lindsay Watkins. I will also have a look to see if anything has turned up on the Yorkshire site.

Diane xxx

If you Google Lindsay Watkins, there is this, refuting that her grandfather swore -

" Sorry, but my grandfather would never swear

Sir - My attention has been brought to M Aldred's letter (Nov 2) about my grandfather, George Hirst, and Fred Trueman's "borrowing" of his famous comment on achieving the Double Double in 1906. In fact my grandfather said "very tired" not "bloody tired". He never swore, and did not allow his children to swear either.

Lindsay Watkins
Argyll and Bute "

Think that was in 2007

I have emailed Mirfield Cricket Club as I saw that the author of the book was secretary there. They might be kind enough to come back with some information, or at least get the family of George Herbert to contact me. Fingers crossed!

Diane xxx

Hi Diane

Is it worth writing a letter to Lindsay Watkins and asking if the Pulishers of the book would pass it on to her if they know her address? I'm sure they wouldn't pass her address on if they knew it but they might be helpful enough to forward the letter.

If they don't know her address perhaps they might pass it on to the author who may be kind enough to forward it for you.