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Thanks all, give me a few new ideas.
John

I think a Henry Bridgman on the 1881 census maybe Walters older brother??

Name: Henry Bridgman
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Age: 25
Spouse Name: Mary Elizabeth Driver
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 17 Feb 1884
Parish: St Andrew Holborn
Borough: City of London
Father Name: George Bridgman >>> deceased Occupation, cab proprietor
Spouse Father: Charles Driver
Register Type: Parish Register

Just for ease,

1881.

Name: Henry Bidenew
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relationship to Head: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Andrews
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 8 Staple Inn Bdgs
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Ostler (Huntsman)
Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: 1D
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 340
Folio: 74
Page Number: 39
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Kitching 41
Jane Kitching 39
Annie Kitching 15
Henry Bidenew 21

I noticed that in 1891 Jane Kitching is with the Bridgman family,

Name: Jane Kithing
Age: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Paddington, London, England
Civil Parish: Clerkenwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillips
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: Amwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 3a
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 224
Folio: 105
Page Number: 44
Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Kithing 49
John Fawcett 21 <<<<<< son


On the 1881 census for a Jane ( posted pg1) there is a Henry boarding with them, I'm pretty sure his surname is Bridgman and has been transcribed incorrectly. I think there is a definite link to the Kitching family and Constance is linked to them.

The Baptism reads Warham but the top of the "h" is crossed through
making it look like an "n" so may read Warnam

Mavis

Constance is listed as ,

Warham in 1911.....bn Holborn.

Although her birth registration isnt in the online index,have you applied to Camden Town Hall Judd St London where the registers are kept,,,its not unusual for an entry to be missed,the transcriptions that appear online are not how they are listed in the large ledgers that they were transcribed from onto fiche.

Ancestry shows a London baptism for,

Constance May Warman.

Thanks for the information vicci,
yes bat mans daughter that was her death.
John

Well done Vicci. Looks like you found the baptism. :-D

Births Dec 1893 (>99%)

Walker Constance May Pancras 1b 63

this is about the nearest I can find

21 St helena Place Clerkenwell is the address of Walter Bridgeman in 1891.

Baptism
Name: Constance May Marham (incorretly transcibed should be Warnham)
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 10 Jun 1894
Mother's name: Marham
Parish or Poor Law Union: Clerkenwell St Philip
Borough: Islington
Register Type: Parish Registers

birth date 9 Nov 1893
address 21 St Helens Place
note says illigitimate
NEITHER parents name listed.

Hi John,

Is this your grandmothers death?

Name: Constance May Cato
Birth Date: 9 Nov 1894
Date of Registration: Jun 1982
Age at Death: 87
Registration district: Lewisham
Inferred County: London
Volume: 14
Page: 0524


If it is, was 9th Nov definitely the day she celebrated her birthday?

If that's not her death, do you know when she celebrated her birthday? I'm just trying to cut the possible reg quarters down.

Still looking.

Not given up yet still looking :-(

I checked walter bridgman's will,no information.
John

Thanks JaneyCanuck.
For all the time and effort trying to help me.
John

On that question, the ones that strike me are:

Mary Warnham abt 1873 Lewisham, Kent, England Servant Lewisham, London

Charlotte Warnham abt 1875 Woolwich, Kent, England Servant Lewisham, London

sisters?

In 1901:

Emily Wornham abt 1872 Lewisham, Kent, England Visitor St Paul, London

Mary Wornham abt 1873 Lewisham, London, England Servant Lewisham, London

That name does seem to be Wornham -- in 1891, Charlotte could be either, but Mary is pretty clearly Wornham.

Marriages Jun 1891
Wornham Mary Ann St. Saviour 1d 181

I can't find any further definite record of Charlotte or Emily. Unless

Deaths Sep 1937
Wornham Emily W 68 Camberwell 1d 522

1911
WORNHAM EMILY 1872 39 Bromley Kent

No birth record for any Charlotte.

Births Sep 1870
Wornham Emely Lewisham 1d 797
Births Sep 1872
Wornham Mary Lewisham 1d 867
Births Sep 1884
Wornham Henry Lewisham 1d 1139

Marriages Jun 1869
GILLETT Thomas *Woolwich* 1d 1010
Skudder Job Armstrong Lewisham 1d 1010
Smith Rosetta Lewisham 1d 1010
> WORNHAM Joseph Lewisham 1d 1010

Sigh, a spare groom *and* a missing bride. And I can't find them in 1881.

1871 in Lewisham:

Joseph Wornham 29
Mary Wornham 25
Emily Wornham 9 Months

So this is our missing bride:

PANTER Mary Ann Lewisham 1d x101x

So I've submitted a correction, but I haven't found a connection!

Lordy; 1881 in Woolwich:

Joseph W. Tillwornham 39
Mary Wornham Tillwornham 35
Emily Tillwornham 10
Mary Tillwornham 8
Joseph Tillwornham 6
Ellen Tillwornham 5

Interesting. He is shown as Joseph W ?ill Wornham.


This is all on the idea that since there are no Warnham suspects available, it's entirely possible that the surname was Wornham and aunt and uncle Bridgman didn't have the correct spelling.

There is no birth of an Ellen Warnham to go with this marriage ... oh, cripey, another mess-up at FreeBMD:

Marriages Mar 1916
Barham Lucy Holder Camberwell 1d 1648
Holder Harry J Barham Camberwell 1d 1648
Rothwell Albert F Hall Camberwell 1d 1648
> Warnham Ellen Abel Camberwell 1d 1648

Abel William G Warnham Camberwell 1d x2445x


And I just wondered whether this birth might be related; can't find her in 1901 (she married in 1919 in Lambeth):

Births Jun 1897
Warnham Charlotte Eleanor St. Saviour 1d 59


Anyhow.

The theory is that Constance May's mother was Wo/arnham, but she was registered in the father's name, and then went by her mother's name ... one of several possible theories ... and that this family has several eligible young women in it ...

Choccy's post at the bottom of page 1 about Jane "Kitcheny" still had me thinking.

The name is actually Kitching. This is likely the marriage

Marriages Sep 1862
Kitching Charles Blake St James 1a 760
Rider Jane St James 1a 760

and the household in 1881 in St Andrews -- Holborn reg dist:

Charles Kitching 41
Jane Kitching 39
Annie Kitching 15
Henry Bidenew 21

A possibly interesting marriage:

Marriages Mar 1903
Gigg Frank Ernest W. Ham 4a 2
? Kitching Thomas W. Ham 4a 2
? Mason Annie Rebecca W. Ham 4a 2
Price Myra Ellen W. Ham 4a 2
Wasmuth George Robert W. Ham 4a 2

There's no Annie Rebecca Mason birth to go with that marriage.

But now ... Annie Mason who married Walter Bridgman wouldn't have had a sister named Annie. ;) But maybe a widowed sister in law?

This is making my head spin a bit, but ... there are two possible Annie Rebecca marriages to a Mason, 1887 and 1895. The 1895 one would make sense, if she had a child before that marriage.

Marriages Dec 1895
Gill Joseph Edward Poplar 1c 1105
? Lloyd Annie Rebecca Poplar 1c 1105
? Mason Thomas Poplar 1c 1105
Moles Louisa Poplar 1c 1105
Sheldrake Henrietta Poplar 1c 1105

Births Mar 1892
LLOYD Constance May Hitchin 3a 527

But CM Lloyd is with parents in Hitchin in 1901, so that kills that.


I think that went nowhere but I'm going to leave it here in case it inspires someone else. Choccy's general idea, of a possible connection between Jane Kitching and either the Bridgmans or Constance May, seemed worth considering.


Meanwhile, what Warnhams are there in the general vicinity in 1891 who could be a parent? ...

No luck still.Any new ideas.
I'm not giving up.
John

Thank's for the information everyone.