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I'm not happy about Yvonne's birth cert. either. You'd hope the day and month would match at least.

Rose

Annie,

That's great. I was trying to figure out what RNR stood for. Hope that number makes sense to them.

You should be able to figure out if Penelope was his from his service records.

Rose

Ok i have contacted the Royal Navy Reserves (RNR) re Stanley as the records are available if you e-mail them. I shall post up any replys from them!!

Rose- you are amazing!! i cannot believe you managed to read the certs!! i really tried!!

I have blown up the numbers on photo shop to try and decipher it is says a number (i think 3) Norfolk Ave Prestatyn (its a street in wales)

possibly an address? as in next box it says the same addy...?

the writing above- ne1/1ho3a1n RNR


I will post back with info! Still puzzles me about Yvonne- why would you lie about your age for? (to be younger!?) i would understand older but this is puzzling... I know it is her deep down, but just don't get it!!

thanks

Annie x

Here's his brother:

Births Dec 1902
GREENHALGH John Frederick Chorlton 8c 792

Rose

The witnesses to Stanley and Emily's marriage are:

J F Greenhalgh - brother John Frederick
Elizabeth Jones - Emily's mother?
Dorothy Gresley Jones - Emily's sister.

Rose

Hi Annie,

Got the images thanks.

On Penelope's cert. Stanley's profession is Musician but I can't read the numbers and letters above. Is it some Army regimental number?

Rose

No I do also agree, It is one of those subjects-

I just was unsure if there was a place where adoptees could go looking if they wanted to find there family kind of thing. As She may know and not know where to look for her family, As she was born in Wales, presumably adopted in Wales, London is a long way from Wales.

Not a problem, I will skip that idea, I'm going to do a DM for penelope and see what comes up!! Still working!! :( and its soooo hot here!!!!

Thanks guys

Annie x

And also Annie.
The lady may not know that she is adopted,many dont,and think how you would feel if someone went blundering in if it were you.
Please be very very careful with that one.
I wouldnt help on it,even if I could, out of consideration for her.

Just to add,
I really dont think Yvonne was adopted,I think you have her birth cert.

Annie.
On adoption you will get no where unless you are the adoptee or the birth parent.
So you will have forget that one I think
Although I could well be wrong ,but on here that is what I keep seeing on the subject..

It did go through my mind that Penelope wasnt Stanleys,I think that is the most likely reason myself.

Hi guys-

Will sort out certs this eve, (am at work at mo!!) I did search for emily's death under jones/greehalgh. No match Loads of just Emily, but no Emily G (surname)

Is there any adoption registers i can look at? Or find out where this lady might have gone? I know this is one of 'those' subjects I've seen threads which turn in to a war AND I AM NOT TRYING TO CAUSE A DEBATE, I am just a new researcher who knows not where to start....

Also i would like to see if Yvonne could have been adopted? Just to rule it out for my own sanity.

Thank you once again guys, you are all so kind to me- without your endless research and help- I'd have a blank tree.

Thanks

Annie x

Think that middle name is Gresley. Looking on Ancestry for Gre*ley Jones the only matches are for the name Gresley.



Siblings for Emily?

Births Jun 1910
JONES Arthur Gresley St Asaph 11b 305

Births Sep 1914
Jones Dorothy G Cornwall St.Asaph 11b 566

Births Dec 1915
Jones Frances M G Cornwall St Asaph 11b 474

Births Sep 1918
Jones Florence G Cornwa St.Asaph 11b 505


Rose

HI Viv,

Not sure I'm going to bother looking for a death for Emily. Did someone say they had looked earlier in the thread?

I'm going with the assumption she must have survived because that's why we can't find a marriage for Yvonne.

That birth for Penelope seems to be the only Greenhalgh/Jones birth in the area since their marriage in 1937. Could be she was adopted because the marriage was over, OR, because Stanley was away at war the Penelope wasn't even his!

Rose

It would seem that they did mess up Rose.

That was me deleted as I wasnt happy with what I had written on adoption,thought it was a little sensitive for here,so pmd annie instead.

Was a death found for Emily ?
I will have to give in now and get my puter problem with scrolling and other stuff looked at tommorow,its driving me NUTS with the kangaroo leaps on the scroll.
The thread keeps shooting off the screen.
viv

Births Dec 1912
Jones Emily G Cornwall St.Asaph 11b 528


Marriages Mar 1898
Cornwall Elizabeth St. Asaph 11b 375
Jones Robert John St Asaph 11b 375

Rose

I wonder if the GRO messed up? I thought they wouldn't issue a birth cert. of an adoptee.

Rose

Hi Annie,

Will PM you so you can send me the images.

Great that the marriage is for the correct Stanley and that Penelope is their child.

Rose

Hey guys-

Yvonnes death cert had DOB info, I've just had a random thought? Could Yvonne have been adopted? Is there anyway I can rule this out?

Ok so certs came:

FACT
MARRIAGE 26-08-1937
STANLEY EDWARD GREENHALGH 23 YRS

TO

EMILY GREAVLEY JONES 24 YRS

STANS DAD: GEORGE FREDERICK GREENHALGH (DECEASED) BOOK KEPER

EMILY'S DAD: ROBERT JOHN GREVLEY JONES (DECEASED) MINING ENGINEER

there is other info but it is really hard to make out

BIRTH

Penelope GREENHALGH 9-1-1943 girl

Dad Stanley Edward Greenhalgh

Mum Emily gresley greenhalgh formerly jones

Dads profession (something) the musieseum??

right at the end it says 'adopted' harold hughes superintendent regisitrar

END OF FACT

i have this available on scan if this info (either cert) as it is hard to make out

i have no idea what to make of it- what does the adopted next to penelopes cert mean??

thanks guys

Annie x

Sounds good to me too!

Maybe Patricia was not so sure of her mothers dob as she appears to be a liitle vague about other details - even reluctant to disclose too much.

Thanks for the update..............eagerly awaiting the rest of it!

Brenda