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Derek,
"But in 1872 Mary is Mary Bamber..not Slater......"

The Mary they are living with is Mary Slater, but on the same census there is Mary Bamber, Ann's sister so she could have been the witness, they are often brothers or sisters, so could be her.

lancashireann,
Julie found the Bamber girls with their parents in the 1851 census and father was not Henry but James:-
James Bamber 40 born: Preston, Lancashire
Nancy Bamber 34 born: Preston, Lancashire
Henry Bamber 15
Alice Bamber 8
Jane Bamber 6
Mary Bamber 2

and this is presumably the Bamber / Hoole marriage

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1849
BAMBER William
HOOLE Rebrcca
Preston, St John

didn't read right to the end of your post Derek before I posted the above

This one may prove or disprove what you want

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1851
BAMBER Ann
Preston mmn = HOOL
ref = PRES/63/7

No catherine.I've dismissed nothing..........but I think I made to mistake of accepting Jane Hoole as part of my tree........I'd rather i was able to confirm your idea than rejecting it........at the moment i have rebecca Hoole as part of the jigsaw............I'll Pm you and opne my tree for you to have a looksee...........Derek

But in 1872 Mary is Mary Bamber..not Slater......

So have you dismissed the 1871 census, Ann with sisters Mary and Jane, living with Mary Slater ?

The other 1871 census:-

Name: Ann Bamber
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Preston, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Preston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Preston
Sub registration district: Preston
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Hoole 66 born: Blackburn, Lancashire
John Birch 10 born: Preston, Lancashire Grandchild
Thomas Birch 8 born: Preston, Lancashire Grandchild
<<<Ann Bamber 19

Hi Wilma....oh dear..you're right..i only picked her up on the 1871.......not her then.........

Begins to look like she was born in Salford.......and james and mary WERE her parents...........

thanksx

Derek

If its nat help i have James Bamber 1808-c1870..and Mary .Hopefully his wife...1813-1893.............ant chance of Mary being born Hoole????

pretty please!

In 1881 Ann Bamber is with Jane Hoole as a niece, BUT she married in 1872 didn't she?

1881 England Census
Name: Ann Bamber
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Preston, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Preston
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 22 Walton St
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Servant

Registration district: Preston
Sub registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Jane Hoole 76
Elizebeth Back 60
Ann Bamber 29
John Birch 19
Thomas Birch 17

HENRY BAMBER
Male

Event(s): Birth: 23 NOV 1835
Christening: 06 DEC 1835 Preston, Lancashire, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: JAMES BAMBER
Mother: NANCY GREEN

but only a submitted entry!

Hi catherine and Julie...have found Ann daighter of James and mary (1861 Census) but born Salford..........which i quite fancy........BUT

since I have Rebecca Hoole in her parentage..rightly or wrongly..the 1871 entry with her as neice of a lday called Hoole is also quite compelling..

You know that in this game you can't just guess.....any further input would be much appreciated.
Derek

1841
ame: James Bamber
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Preston
Hundred: Amounderness
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Preston
Sub registration district: Preston
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James Bamber 25
Nancy Bamber 20
Henry Bamber 5
Benjamin Bamber 1

In 1861 Jane is living with Mary (from 1871 census), noted as niece.
Mary is born in Liverpool and married to John, name is Slater.

John Slater 74 born: Pernyhurgh, Lancashire
Mary Slater 61 Born: Liverpool, Lancashire
Jane Bamber 16
Robert Wilson 21
John Parsons 20

1851

Mary Bamber
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Nancy
Gender: Female
Where born: Preston, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Preston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Preston
Sub registration district: Preston
ED, institution, or vessel: 1d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 69
Household Members: Name Age
James Bamber 40
Nancy Bamber 34
Henry Bamber 15
Alice Bamber 8
Jane Bamber 6
Mary Bamber 2


James Occ is a Cotton Spinner

This is the 1861 might be them

Nancy Bamber
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Gender: Female
Where born: Preston, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Penwortham
Ecclesiastical parish: Penwortham
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Preston
Sub registration district: Longton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 141
_________

Mary Bamber
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Gender: Female
Where born: Preston, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Penwortham
Ecclesiastical parish: Penwortham
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
__________

Looks like a school...no it's not it's a Workhouse

The Jane Watson who is also noted as niece has Bamber as maiden name too, so another possible sister?

Thanks catherine.....that's 1871.....which i have...but gives no hint of her parents. Mary and Ann possible sisters..thanks for that
Derek.

From 1871 census I would say that Mary was Ann's sister?

Hi Julie.no i haven't....I'm hoping that Mary was either the sister or the husband of James..if that fails then i have to look further.....thanks for your idea.

Derek

Possible 1871

Name: Ann Bamber
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Preston, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Preston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Preston
Sub registration district: Preston
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 44
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Nater 69 Head
Henry Bamber 57 Brother
Jane Watson 25 Niece
James Watson 23 Son in Law
Mary Bamber 22 Niece
Ann Bamber 20
John Watson 6 months Nephew

EDIT
Marriages Sep 1870 (>99%)
<<<<BAMBER Jane Preston 8e 780
McSPIRIT Jane Preston 8e 780
WATERHOUSE James Preston 8e 780
<<<<WATSON James Preston 8e 780