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No probs!!

We can't 'hassle' someone of that age just because we are (I am) obsessed!! (tee hee)

Take it in your own time and let me know what you find!!

Dea x

Ha ha it is addictive still learning though.
What site do you use to find all this?
I have just been using the free sites up till now.
Jacqui

Ancestry is the most important + Family relatives + (depending on which area - various 'local' sites) + Morman site + Free Bmd.

Dea x

I will have a look at all of them.
Thank you for all your help.
I have put something on here before and the person has been really helpful and I was really impressed but you have topped that.
I will get back to you when I get some certs through.
Jacqui

Thank you for those very kind words.

Give me a 'nudge' when you have more info and tell me which way you need to go.

Best wishes,

Dea x

Good morning Jacqui,

Could you have another look at that cert for me please?

Could it actually say 'late Randall, formerly WAKELEY (or Wakerley)??

If I am right you will have an 'awfull lot' more to add to your tree later !!

Dea x

Sorry only read your message been decorating today.
I have looked at the cert again and and it could be Wakley. I thought it was a H but looking at the Whitmarsh it could be a W and what i thought a N actually a K.
I am very excited now sorry I did not read this earlier.

You think YOU are excited !!!! - I have been waiting all day !

So........

Agnes's birth:

Births Dec 1852
Wakerly Agnes St Geo.East 1c 392
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Marriage:

Marriages Sep 1871
Randall William Bethnal Green 1c 702
WAKERLY Agnes Bethnal Green 1c 702

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Agnes 'at home with family' on 1871:

at 26 Hamilton Road, Bethnel Green.

Agnes Wakerley
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas J
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Female
Where born: St George in The East
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub registration district: Bethnal Green
ED, institution, or vessel: 8a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 410
Household Members: Name Age

Thomas J Wakerley 46 ......... Tobacco Cutter St George in the East
Sarah Wakerley 44 ............... Tobacconist Aldgate
Thomas J Wakerley 23 Unm " St George in the East
Sarah A Wakerley 21 Unm Dressmaker "
William H Wakerley 20 " Tobacconist "
Agnes Wakerley 18 " Machinist "
Alfred E Wakerley 15 " Mile End Old Town
Arthur S Wakerley 13 " "
Jessie H Wakerley 11 " Bethnel Green
Alice E Wakerley 9 "
Walter Wakerley 7 Mile End Old Town
Albert L Wakerley 3 Bethnel Green
Charles E Wakerley 8 months "
George Wakerley 1 month grandson "



Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 484; Folio: 84; Page: 74; GSU roll: 823371.

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Possible marriage for Agnes's parents:
(You have a choice of 2 Sarah's !!)
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Marriages Dec 1847
Bryant Nancy May Shoreditch 2 395
FLACK Charles Shoreditch 2 395
GERKEN Tietje Shoreditch 2 395
*****HICKLING Sarah Shoreditch 2 395
*****HILL Sarah Shoreditch 2 395
Rayment Jane Kezia Shoreditch 2 395
TUNSTALL Benjamin George Shoreditch 2 395
*****Wakerly Thomas Jowett Shoreditch 2 395

Thomas's death:

Deaths Sep 1877
Wakerly Thomas Jowett 53 Bethnal Green 1c 152
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There is at least 1 other person on here who has Agnes in his tree - Michael Buxton -
You could do a 'quick search' for Agnes Wakerley at top of page and send him a message?

What do you think?

Dea x

P.S. - Again - please be careful because although I believe this all fits - you do need to prove it for yourself.
Dea Xxx

wow that is great. she was from a big family.
thank you so much.
i have ordered the marrriage cert for John and Mrs Bird. hopefully that will have john's father as henry and fit in with it all.
i will let you know what it brings up.
Jacqui

OH I AM VERY HAPPY NOW.
I have just spoken to my aunt and she thinks that her mum (my Nanna) said that John Whitmarsh's first wife died in 1921.
I looked on freebmd for Agnes Whitmarsh and guess what she died March 1921 Lewisham..
It is all coming together. But it would not have without all your help.
A VERY BIG THANK YOU

Hi Jacqui,

So nice to know I have made someone so 'very happy'.

Come back and nudge this thread up when you get more info.

I would be interested to know if the info I have found is confirmed by the certs.

Best wishes,

Dea x

Hi Dea
The marriage cert for John Whitmarsh senior to Mrs Bird, his second wife, does confirm that his father was called Henry. The address was 20 Bell Green, Sydenham and he was a widower. It says that Henry Whitmarsh was deceased at that time 02/04/1923.
I have spoke to my aunt (who speaks to my nanna for me) and she has said that my Nanna thinks that I have the wrong John junior. My Nanna and her sister do not remember anything about there grandmother being married before and having children but they do remember having couisins in Miall Road.
Think I will have to keep looking for Whitmarsh's and hope to find a connection.
Are they are sites to search on an address?
I did also contact that man who had a match with Agnes senior but he does not have any info on her unfortunatly.
Thank you
Jacqui

1911 census shows these Whitmarsh's living at Bell Green with John born c 1891:
(Not necessarily all in the same household !!)


WHITMARSH
Last names Algorithm Exact
District Lewisham
Residence BELL GREEN
Other person last names WHITMARSH
Other person last names Algorithm Exact
Other person first names JOHN
Other person first names Algorithm Exact


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Schedule type Last names First names Sex Birth year Age in 1911 District / other County / other Transcript Original page
HOUSEHOLD WHITMARSH AGNES ROSE F 1906 5 Lewisham London
HOUSEHOLD WHITMARSH ELDA F 1908 3 Lewisham London
HOUSEHOLD WHITMARSH ELIZA F 1873 38 Lewisham London
HOUSEHOLD WHITMARSH ELIZABETH AGNES ELLEN F 1911 2 MONTHS Lewisham London
HOUSEHOLD WHITMARSH ELIZABETH SARAH F 1891 20 Lewisham London
HOUSEHOLD WHITMARSH ELSIE E F 1904 7 Lewisham London
HOUSEHOLD WHITMARSH HENRY M 1861 50 Lewisham London
HOUSEHOLD WHITMARSH HENRY M 1897 14 Lewisham London
HOUSEHOLD WHITMARSH WILLIAM M 1902 9 Lewisham London
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I will re-read the thread and my notes and come back to you.

Dea x

Thank you so much. I am so grateful for all your help.
Jacqui

O.K. - Let's work backwards again !!!

Is the John Jnr she thinks we have wrong the one born in 1891?

Did he have children - Elizabeth, Doris, Irene and Joyce?

Dea x

Yes she thinks it is the wrong one.
She said John was born 13/04/1891 in Sydenham. The birth cert that came for the John with mother as Agnes and father John had birth as 20/04/1891. She said John only had 1 brother called Jack but I have not found a Jack anywhere so that was prob his nickname.
John married Elizabeth Flint and I have there marriage cert, his father was John Whitmarsh and at that time the address was 50 Miall Road.
I am wondering if to order the birth cert for Henry Whitmarsh 1893 (brother of the John we have) to see if his birth was 13/04/1893 and there birth dates could have just got mixed up.
Yes they were his children plus a few more. My Nanna is Betty.

So,

The John with children Elizabeth, Doris, Irene and Joyce IS the correct one then !!

I will work from there.

Dea x

Yes that is def right.
Thank you so much.
Got to go out this morning but will be back for lunch.

Can you give me ALL the details from John's wedding cert to Elizabeth please - in cluding witnesses, ages, occupations, fathers, addresses etc..

Dea x

John Whitmarsh age 19 Bachelor Brick layer? addres 50 Miall Road father John Whitmarsh Brick think it might be layer but same as John Junior.
Elizabeth Flint age 19 spinster address 4 Pelingue Road father William Flint Leather finisher.
The whitnesses were Ellen May Flint and it says this is the mark of John Whitmarsh.
They were married in Sydenham 04/09.1910

I have just looked on the 1911 census and John and Elizabeth with their first child Elizabeth lived 70 Miall Road.
Little Elizabeth's middle names were Agnes Ellen. Was his mother Agnes and she was named after him.
My Nanna is so sure that her father, John, only had one brother.