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Hi Jackie

Many thanks for looking, I really appreciate it, but not the right Nellie Ellis regrettably.

I will send for the marriage certificate and hope that it will throw some light on the brickwall!!

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Hi Jackie, hoping you might be able to help.
One of the brick walls in my tree is my Great Great Grandmother she married twice. I have no problem with the details from her second marriage to my Great Great Grand Father.
The problem is with her first husband and how many children she had to him before being widowed.
Have not been able to confirm any of the info I was given by my Grandfather many years ago.
Here Name is Mary Barlow b) 1868 3rdQ Liverpool, Lancashire, her Parents were Joseph Barlow and Deborah Megson.
She Married Frank Cross possibly in Bolton 1887
And accordingly had 3 children Sidney, Nellie who both died in infancy and Peter who I found in The 1891 Census and is the only child I can
confirm.
Please could you see if there is any record of Sidney and Nelly and anything ie; Birth, Marriage, Death for Frank Cross.
Any brick out of this frustrating Wall would be most appreciated.
Many Thanks Josephine

Hi Josephine,

Here she is with her mother in 1871. Father not with them, her mother is listed as married and it looks like candlemakers wife (or something like that) In the original Berlow is actually reading as Barlow

1871 England Census about Mary Berlow
Name: Mary Berlow
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Deborah Berlow
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool
Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Peter
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 131
Piece: 3109
Folio: 103
Page Number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
Deborah Berlow 24 born Cheltenham/ married
Deborah Berlow 4
Mary Berlow 2
Mary Welch 44
Henry Welch 16

Once again in 1881 father not with family

1881 England Census about Deborah Barlow
Name: Deborah Barlow
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish: Great Bolton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 5 Retreat Place
Condition as to marriage: Married
Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Bolton Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3846
Folio: 8
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Deborah Barlow 34
Deborah Barlow 14
Mary Barlow 12


Okay I think she may have been married to Abraham (probably just known by the name Frank to suit themselves)

Marriages Jul-Sep 1886
CROSS Abraham Bartholomew Bolton 8c 340

I have had a look at the original of Mary's entry and it actually reads the same as Abraham ie 8c 340

Marriages Jul-Sep 1886
BARLOW Mary Bolton 8c 310 (this is what it reads on FreeBMD transcription)

Deaths Oct-Dec 1887
Cross Abraham Bartholomew age 22 Bolton 8c 281


It will probably be worth getting a copy of the marriage certificate from gro.gov.uk
I know they send abroad
Just use Abrahams details when ordering certificate, as Marys are down wrong as I said


Regards Jackie

Many Thanks Jackie,
no wonder I could not find or connect Mary with a Frank.
Peter's Birth fits in with those dates , and I can now discount Nellie and Sydney who I could not find anywhere.
My Grandfather wrote down all he could remember about his family before he died,in 1967, but as he emigrated to NZ straight after WW1 and did not keep contact with any of his family in Lancashire. He has caused me many headaches over the last 8 years trying to find the relatives he had written down. As I have found many of them not in the generation he had listed them.
Great Great Grandma is my last major brick wall.
Thank you very much for your help I can now start looking afresh.
Warmest Regards Josephine
:-)

Hi Jackie, Have just found The Marriage Entry for Abraham Cross and Mary Barlow 10 July 1886 St Peter, Great Bolton Parish Records on Lancashire Online Parish Clerk. It shows both Father's and their Occupations and her Sister and her Husband were the Witnesses.
It Shows Abraham's occupation as Collier which explains his death at such an early age.
Am feeling extremely happy that I have finnaly broken through this Brickwall.
Once again many thanks for taking the time to help me out.
Warmest Regards Josephine :-) <3

Hi Josephine,

Glad to have been of help

Regards Jackie
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