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Yes she could have had mary as a middle name but I dont think so as i have looked into that as well.

I am going to have to do an Evie and exit the building as I need to sleep soon.
I will try that noodle job Evie but I HATE mushroom soup so will try it with asparagus instead.
viv

Yes and now for the next question
leaving aside the atkinsons as they are not the REAL family
but the boageys are.
Can you see a birth for Esther Boagey 1865 ish
Or a marriage to a boagey for her to make her a boagey on her marriage to atkinson?
Because I havent been able to.

hi do you think she could have been esther mary middle name boagey just decided may be going through mid life thing decided to be called by middle name
viv you told me today people put down what they wanted to on the cences ie may have been granchild but passed them off as their own couldnt esther just have decided to use a middle name or something sean

On that note, I'm going home to dispose of the groceries The Lump will have brought into the house this afternoon. He's going to learn how to make his own giant batch of hamburger stroganoff noodle lunches for freezing tomorrow. You cook a bunch of finely chopped mince on a tray in the oven, crumbling it up, add as many tins of mushroom soup as seem good, and toss it with a bunch of egg noodles. Man heaven.

Happy weekend all!

Sorry, yes, Viv, obviously the "twins" thing in 1891 is just wrong, because Frank is our Frank Boagey. The enumerator was just going nuts. And I was all muddled.

Births Jun 1884
Atkinson William Auckland 10a 214

Births Mar 1882
Atkinson Frances Auckland 10a 166

Births Jun 1884
Boagey William Francis Hartlepool 10a 156

for clarity

Well I think that mary was just a bit of skirt in between Elizabeth and Esther
on the 1891,unless it was esther under a different name as "mary" was born in the same year and place as Esther.

Nuh uh, nuh uh, nuh uh.

1891

John Atkinson 44
Mary Atkinson 30 <<<<<
Richard Atkinson 19
Margaret Atkinson 18
John Atkinson 11
William Atkinson 7
Frank Atkinson 7
Frances Atkinson 9
Elizabeth A Atkinson 3
Mary A Atkinson 11/12


It pretty much looks like he just kept trading them in for younger models.

I'd guess that he wasn't married to Mary, he just moved her in when he got tired of Esther.

Or she's really Esther.

Yes I kind of understood ,but Johns wife before Esther was ELIZABETH not MARY!
look at the 1881 census to see that
And the browell atkinson marriage Evie found.
viv

Okay, this is nuts.

John Atkinson married

Elizabeth Browell 1870
Esther Boagey 1888

In between, he married Mary.

But there is no marriage 1870-1888 to a Mary.

Is Mary just Elizabeth by another name?


1881

John Atkinson 54 <<<< ????
Elizabeth Atkinson 32
Margaret Atkinson 9
Richard Atkinson 7
John Atkinson 2


These are the same people as in 1891 and 1901 -- the kids are the same.

But what's with John not aging in 20 years??

We shouldn't even be doing this -- since we know now that Sean's William Frank is a Boagey, not an Atkinson -- but good grief, what were these people doing??

I will not be confused
I will not be confused
I am pretty sure I have the right familys on the census,I spent ruddy AGES checking that I had.

evie my story what started all this

my mother is looking to find her fathers back ground his name charles edward nelsonboagey he father william francis boagey wife gertrude boagey maiden name mace .
charles ran away from home about the age 14 15 ish because he says he hit him ,charles also used to say he had a sister and she could not do anything wrong he got the blame all the time we not sure on sisters name seem to think lucy or lou as he used to call her charles says he went to live with a friend a john atkinson but when weve looked william francsis mom married a john atkinson who was a lot older and had got kids from his 1st marrage to a mary she died john had a son the same name as william francis and on the cences passed them off as twins
then charles made his way to sheffield looking for work married winnie who just totaly wrote all over his birth cert atkinson thats about it we thought it was so streight forward however i have been given an email address of a direct dec i have emailed him asking if he knows if twins had any children need sisters name to find living relatives if ther wher any god what a mystery vive did you understand all that sean

Francis is actually a girl,so Frances
and as for ageing what about john atkinson senior
54 in 1881,44 in 1891and 54 in 1901.
the two williams are NOT twins as one is a boagey in 1901 even though frank is down instead of william in 1891 for him and he is also listed as atkinson them.

We do know that on the 1891 image, these two:

William Atkinson 7
Frank Atkinson 7

are identified as twins?

But both of them are *not* William Frank Boagey.

Then on the 1901 they look like this:

Francis Atkinson 19
William Atkinson 16
William Frank Boagy 16

Francis aged faster than William, it seems.

Because on the 1881 census john atkinsons wife is elizabeth and jane 1901 has browell for a middle name.

I don't know why we're looking for this, but here it is:

Marriages Sep 1870
> ATKINSON John Auckland 10a 304
> BROWELL Elizabeth Auckland 10a 304
PARKIN Joseph Auckland 10a 304
WATSON Hannah Auckland 10a 304

1901

John Atkinson 54
Esther Atkinson 36
Margaret Atkinson 28
John Atkinson 21
Francis Atkinson 19
William Atkinson 16
William Frank Boagy 16
Elizabeth Ann Atkinson 12
Mary Ann Atkinson 10
Esther Atkinson 2
Jane Browell Atkinson 3 Mo


Jane Browell Atkinson is likely the daughter of an unmarried daughter of John, I'd say. Browell would be her father's surname.

Are we positive that Esther is a child of John and Esther? There's a large gap between Mary Ann and Esther.

Or is Mary Ann a child of the first marriage, and Esther of the second ... ? No, they married 1888.

What???

Marriages Dec 1888
ATKINSON John Auckland 10a 296
BOAGEY Esther Auckland 10a 296


But here is the household in 1891!!!

John Atkinson 44
Mary Atkinson 30
Richard Atkinson 19
Margaret Atkinson 18
John Atkinson 11
William Atkinson 7
Frank Atkinson 7
Frances Atkinson 9
Elizabeth A Atkinson 3
Mary A Atkinson 11/12


That is obviously the same household.

What sense does this make??

Albert was on a 1911 that I put up earlier that was a mix of 2 families,
the trick went haywire!
I have deleted it now so dont get excited about it
viv

Okay, well, belatedly, here is my Friday fit of hilarity.

who the hell is albert

Well damned if I know!!

I don't even know why we're asking!


Oops, not belated - early. It may be the day before a holiday, but it's still Thursday. ;)

And there is Amelia thompson Atkinson like a good little girl right where she should be

Births Jun 1904 (>99%)
Atkinson Amelia Thompson Auckland 10a 228

I make this john atkison seniors death,

Deaths Jun 1905 (>99%)
Atkinson John 58 Auckland 10a 126