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Viv - I've looked at every Martha in the vicinity in 1911 to see whether there was a Lucy or Louisa living with her, and vice versa, but no dice.

Ditto deaths, marriages ...

Have we looked at this one?

Births Sep 1908
Atkinson Lucy Lanchester 10a 381

or

Births Mar 1905
Atkinson Louisa Darlington 10a 38

Births Dec 1905
Atkinson Louisa Hartlepool 10a 139

Births Mar 1906
Atkinson Louisa Hartlepool 10a 195

Births Sep 1906
Atkinson Elsie Louise Sunderland 10a 692

Births Dec 1906
Atkinson Louisa Ann S. Shields 10a 923

Births Jun 1910
ATKINSON Louisa Gateshead 10a 1094


Frank could have had a child with his second, er, wife, before she finally got him to marry her, and used the name Atkinson for that purpose.

Now, who wants to track them to the 1911 ...

I must say that since this LucyLou wasn't with the family in 1911, it does sound more likely that she was a child of the first marriage -- or of another woman altogether.

Selena.

What happened to martha?

Any ideas then cos I am clean out

Not on 1911 under Atkinson/boagey/gardiner
and no death that I can see.

Oh, and --

"Wonder if he married Gertrude as Atkinson as he was already married then?"

-- of course he did!

Just let me know what happened to Martha please?

Sean are you thinking of ordering the certificate to Martha?

Can you let us know the names of any witnesses on any marriage certificates you get,

Thanks

Selena

For looking for Martha Gardiner Boagey post-marriage -- this looks like her in 1901:

Name: Martha Gardiner
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Where born: Bishop Auckland, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Bishop Auckland
Registration district: Auckland

William Gardiner 54
Joseph Gardiner 18
Martha Gardiner 16
Bella Gardiner 11
Bessie Gardiner 8

No middle name, blast her:

Births Dec 1885
Gardiner Martha Auckland 10a 190a

It can and is still done today.
Not much changes.
Except now its easier to get a divorce, so I guess bigamy is not around so much.
Mind you you only hear of the cases that are found out.

Of course if you want to know if it might be the same man you would have to send for that marriage cert as well!!
You need full wallets/purses for this lark I tell you.
viv

viv was i right then looks like the same william was married before as you say remarried as a atkinson could have! how if thats the case could he get away with it did they not check or in them days did they not really care what people did

The marriage

Marriages Mar 1894 (>99%)
Boagey Robert Guisborough 9d 713
Knagge Louisa Guisbro' 9d 713
Knaggs Louisa Guisborough 9d 713

and roberts probable death,so I think that has discounted that louisa.

Deaths Jun 1909 (>99%)
BOAGEY Robert 46 Guisbro' 9d 301

1911
No man in the household .

HOUSEHOLD BOAGEY ADA LOUISA F 1899 12 Guisborough Yorkshire North Riding

HOUSEHOLD BOAGEY CHARLES WILLIAM M 1896 15 Guisborough Yorkshire North Riding
HOUSEHOLD BOAGEY ELSIE F 1900 11 Guisborough Yorkshire North Riding
HOUSEHOLD BOAGEY HENIRETTA F 1902 9 Guisborough Yorkshire North Riding
HOUSEHOLD BOAGEY LOUISA F 1874 37 Guisborough Yorkshire North Riding
HOUSEHOLD BOAGEY MARY ELLEN F 1897 14 Guisborough Yorkshire North Riding

***********************************

Name: Ada Louisa Boagey
Year of Registration: 1898
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Guisborough
County: Yorkshire - North Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 541

Spelling off,but one gardener Durham way

Births Mar 1901 (>99%)
Gardner Louisa Sunderland 10a 761

One in lucy in yorks

Births Jun 1910 (>99%)
GARDNER Lucy Goole 9c 982

And these

Births Sep 1900 (>99%)
Gardiner Louisa Alftrude Pontefract 9c 107

Births Mar 1907 (>99%)
GARDINER Louisa Wharfedale 9a 119

All between 1900 and 1915

You give it a go Selena.
cos im b***d if I can
and the other other two "find hers"dont seem to be doing any better!

Diamonds or pies in the sky with lucy??
viv

just book marking this as its fascinating. Not sure if I understand it all though.

Hope someone finds Lucy/Lou.

Selena

Now there is a spanner thrown into the works!!

Marriages Sep 1904 (>99%)
Boagey William Francis Auckland 10a 384 <<<<<<<<
Bradley Arthur Auckland 10a 384
Gardiner Martha Auckland 10a 384 <<<<<<<<
Layton Ruth Ann Auckland 10a 384

And even better I can not see a death for martha before 1907.

Wonder if he married Gertrude as Atkinson as he was already married then?
viv

viv evie just found out that our william francis boagey was married before 1904 would you be so kind as to double check this as i am new to this if it is im wondering if our lo or lucy was from his first marrage
william married a martha gardiner long shot but did lo have gardiner as her 2nd name sean

Oh - yes, you can do that, open an account so you don't have to give the card details every time, I'm pretty sure. In fact, I think I've used that site to check the details of my credit card when I didn't have it handy, for something else. ;) I dunno, maybe next time you order something you'll get the option?

Goody,Goody.
I am looking forward to the solving of this one
viv

just to let you know ive orderd the cert today they will be sent on the 20th april fingers crossed this mystery will be solved x

Evie
Yes I registered some many moons ago.
I thought you meant I could open an account so I didnt have to give my card number etc everytime.
sorry
viv

I think this is it:

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

It seems you *have* to register now in order to order certificates.


For Sean - once you've registered and logged in, you get the order form, and this is where you say "yes", down at the bottom --

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