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Y'know, this one has gone way beyond my Monck/Hill/whatevers ...!

Besides, I had the good grace to figure them out *before* I posted. ;)

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=976217

for Mistycat's reading enjoyment. ;)

And Sean - lest you think you're the only one with problem ancestors. Here's another of the same sort:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1150692

The boogers just wouldn't pick a name and stick to it, would they??


Oh look, I've hit page 20.

winnie wells born 1918.
age 21 on her mc in 1939 anyway.

and oh no,I have this awful sentence running through my mind now that I know I shouldnt type on here ,BUT I HAVE TO.

Lucky that they didnt pick their noses and stick the Boageys everywhere then Janey.

SEAN WHERE ARE YOU???
Come back we want to talk to you.
Where was Winnie born and what is her full name?

I have sent a pm asking him to come back.

Think this is winnies birth

Births Sep 1917 (>99%)
Wells Winifred Gregory Sheffield 9c 1012

And if it is then there are no louisa /lucy wells/gregory births after 1911.

The marriage of her parents?

Marriages Sep 1908 (>99%)
GREGORY May Sheffield 9c 762 S
WELLS Ernest George Sheffield 9c 762

Well Viv, yet another theory out the window....

Wish Sean would return and bring his Mum with him, although we would probably scare the pant's off the poor lady, with all the question's we would like to ask!!

Misty x

sorry not been on ive broke my ancle and no a wasnt drunk

winnie was born in sheffield and she met charles at a fair mum says he lived durham then moved near worksop then to sheffield
do you think its possible that frank left gertrude as his passed record tells us what hes like and gertrude had another child with someone else and thats why his dad hated him so much because it wasnt his dad

another clue charles used to say his name was charles edward nelson john fitzgerald atkinson was he just messing with us or could john be a stepdad to him

seanxxxxx

Sean, hope your ankle coming along ok

This is a very long shot !!!

Marriage March 1913
Atkinson Gertrude A Birch Newark 7b 811
Birch William E Atkinson Newark 7b 811

Birth Dec 1914
BIRCH Lavina Atkinson Doncaster 9c 1874

Could Gertrude have moved "near" Worksop with Charles and remarried...

Would Lou be short for Lavina???? Lav would not be good!!!!

Misty x

No No No....best ignore this..surely, IF, Gertrude had married again to Mr Birch Winnie would have put Birch all over Charles's birth cert....would she not?

ive just had a look again at censes 1881 norfolk dont know if this ones been looked at but not edward but a charles mace 1855

just thinking back to grandad s name charles edward

Sean, a man after my own heart. Me, I break feet. Actually, foot. Same foot, same bone in fact, same place, 5 years apart. I'm about due again this summer ... I don't need to break the leg or elbow again, I hope. Maybe we're related!

Now go back and read all the info about Gertrude Mace that Mistycat found. That is your Gertrude Mace. There isn't any doubt left.

For ref...Do you mean this one Sean?

1881 England Census about Charles Mace
Name: Charles Mace
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Belton, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Belton
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street address: Lockless Lane
Occupation: Fisherman
Registration district: Mutford

Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Mace 26
Charlotte Woods 75.....House Keeper, Formely Nurse
Alice Mace 17......Sister

Sorry, other than Fisherman, I can see no connection, have followed the family up to 1901, no Gertrude!!.
Charles was a Brick maker in 1901

Could have been an Uncle...maybe!!

Misty x

So no mending of motor cars for a while then Sean.
As a child of 8 years old I fell off a cow and broke my left wrist badly,bones sticking out etc,you get the picture.
Best bit was I was due to be fitted with a tooth brace,but didnt need it as I had knocked my teeth into line at the same time.
The dentist wrote up about it in his dentistry mag as he was so gobsmacked by it.
I wished it had been my right wrist so I coulnt do school work.
As a 21 year old I came off horse in a race and had 12 of them go over the top of me
Smashed RIGHT wrist,broken nose
,no front teeth,after all that hard work of knocking them straight as a child
badly sprained leg ,bad back,and severe concussion.
Be careful what you wish for as a child.

I couldnt work for three months and even my best friends didnt know me when they picked me up from the hospital cos of the state of my face,it did go back to almost normal though in time, thank evans.

That was me deleting cocked up rubbish,think I will go to bed and start again!

OOOOO Viv, Spooky, are you really me!!

I used to ride a cow (Paddles, her name was) Then moved on to racing horses!!

Misty x

Her name was Little jane as her mum was big jane,desperate for a pony I was.
Lucky father is into horses too,still rides out hunting{bad word now}sometimes aged 83.
I only raced on the flapping tracks of wales.
And after that smash it was the last time I ever raced on a galloper,I stuck to my lovely trotters and pacers thereafter.
Did pretty well with them too,even if I do say so myself!
I just used to ride for people though,never owned one myself,but I did own riding horses/ponies up until 2 yrs ago and now dont have the land so I sold them all.

Gertrudes Father with his family?

1861 England Census about Edward Mace
Name: Edward Mace
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Easter
Gender: Male
Where born: Belton, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Belton
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Registration district: Mutford

Name Age
Joseph Mace 49....Burgh Castle,Suffilk...? Lab
Easter Mace 49.....Belton, Suffolk....Laundress
Hannah Mace 19
Ann Mace 17
Barney Mace 15
Edward Mace 13......Gertrudes Father
William Mace 11
Charlott Mace 10
Arthur Mace 7
John Mace 56.....Brother of Joseph

All children born Belton

Misty x

Mine was Paddles because we couldnt keep her in at all, she could escape from any where, then used to paddle about the farm!

I got my first pony at 11, used to hunt, point to point, show jumping and coss country....only local to me...never made "the big time" but did ok.

Sold my last horse about 5yr ago, after a nasty fall, never been on one since...it hurt's to much and takes to long to heal, now I'm old!!

How fantastic...your Dad still hunting at his age, must keep him fit, put's me to shame!!

Misty x

Sorry Sean went off subject there..down memory lane!!

Our escapee from everywhere was called Houdini,
even walked back to the farm from 6 miles away the same day she was taken for a bit of extra grazing just before calving.
He put a head collar on her tied her up in the cow shed with the chain round the neck aswell
pushed a big hayrack against the dooor after closing it and yep
There she was in the yard in the morning
Dad had her until she was 25,and then one day the arthritis had hit and she couldnt get up.
A very long life for a dairy cow.
And yes, we did all cry.

Hunting and gymkhana for me from age 10,even made it to the prince phillip games one year.
Father was a MFH before i was born so i guess its in the blood.

Your doing well with the maces now misty,all you have left now is to fathom what happened to lavina,if she is lou.

No No, Please dont leave me on my own Viv.....I cant fathom that one out all alone!!

Do you think it's a poss?

Do you know, I cant for the life of me, remamber what happened to Paddles...but DID cry over a few more, including Milky Way Cow...who, yes you guessed...loved to eat Milky Way's...

The thing's we farmer's daughter's did as children....Happy Day's!!

Misty x

LUCY our other favourite cow would let us suck the milk from her when we were pretending to be calves,well what child needs many toys on a farm.
Health and safety would have a field day with it now!

I have checked trees on here and ancestry, but no one has Lavina.
The only off putter is that she has atkinson for mothers maiden name,but after all the fibs etc that have gone on in this family I wouldnt be in the least surprised.

It may be worth Sean investing in that marriage cert of atkinson and birch to see what it says for her father name and occupation.

Oh Viv.....you also had a LUCY....

Sorry Sean could not help myself...

Cant type for laughing

Misty x

Ment to put...I cant fine Lavina after her birth!!