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just had a thought

please could you tell me if you know in 1904 to 1907 when someone got married what prof did they need to show to say who they were if any

could someone just walk into a reg office and say there names were smith and jones or did they need to show some prof such as birth cert

sean

please please

will you do one thing for me and i promise i wont bother you untill the cert comes through

ive been looking at cences all day and the nelson thing still bothering me

i think martha was married to a charles nelson but dont think here name was gertrude i think it was lucy mace

please will you double check

sean ps there are also edward nelsons to fit age

Sean ,you dont make sense
Who is martha married to charles nelson?
Her year of birth
where born
and what census do you want us to look at?
And who is gertrude/lucy mace?
born when and where.
We cant see the census you are on about unless you tell us which one.
viv

sorry ment gertrude think that was her middle name

i think gertrude was also married before in 1901 cences lucy mace also lots of charles nelsons

im thinking maybe nelson died

can you recall the atkinsons john and esther named one of there children after his dead wife

Yes I remember the child named after the first wife,it wouldnt have happened in my house!!
VERY odd thing to do,
But on the rest of it I am sorry but I still havent a clue what you want us to look at really.
sorry.
I am off out to the pub now,well it is saturday night.
Hopefully Evie may have got it sorted by the time I return too squiffy to be able to do anything except sleep.
viv

Nice, Viv.

I have to go crash my Firefox so it will function again, and install the update while I'm at it I guess, so I'll be a while too ...

Okay, if Gertrude was married before, her name at birth wasn't Mace.

Because she married as Mace -- and if she'd been born Mace and married before, she wouldn't have marred Boagey/Atkinson as Mace. Unless she was committing bigamy or otherwise trying to hide her first marriage for some reason.

There is very little point in trawling around censuses trying to find someone who might have married a Mace and then married Atkinson/Boagey!

Get the Mace+Atkinson marriage certificate and it will *tell* you whether she had been married before, and if so, what her name was before her first marriage.

That is the only way you're going to find that first marriage, if it existed, which I really don't think it did, and possibly any children of it.


But really, Sean, the thing is -- we have found Gertrude in the 1911 census, and she *was* born in Norfolk, and she was really barely old enough to have had a marriage before marrying Boagey/Atkinson -- so there really isn't any reason to think she wasn't the Gertrude Mace who was born in Norfolk.

Sean i have found a birth any good?

louisa atkinson
june 1910
Gateshead Tyne and Wear

Sorry if i missed this before on any one elses messages!

Do you think maybe that Dad William did some wrong and changed his name to start afresh?

Sorry just discovered that this Louisa died aged 8 in 1918

thanks for that

ive had a look on 1911 cences as far as i can

ive found a louisa
charles 1907
gertrude 1890 and 1875
frank around the 1884 year forgot to write it down
all in birkenhead

viv evie what do you think

is there anyway to find out if they are the same people

sean

You made a promise Sean and now you have broken it.
Slap.. for you

Hi All,

Just thought I would pop by for a catch up, read the WHOLE thread...My goodness, what a tangled web..and I thought "my lot" were bad enough!!

Oooops look's like your in trouble Sean, never break a promise to a lady ;)

Misty x

ive been trying all after to say sorry

its just people keep putting massages on then they get me going again

im going to do a jigsaw or something keep my mind off it

SORRY you wont hear from me again untill cert comes around the 1st i really do promise

anyway by the looks of all the treads your all going to be run off your feet what happened sean xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

well its here

hope im forgiven

married-21st sept 1007
frank atkinson-24yrs -bachelor-coal miner-
11 edward street spennymoor
father -john atkinson-deceased-coal miner


gertrude mace -25yrs-spinster
12 edward street spennymoor
father-edward mace -deceased-fisherman


in the presence of

arther william sloddant
mary ann atkinson

wasnt mary one of johns daughters

I think the this edward is gertrudes father with wife louisa ,BUT i cant see a gertrude with them at all in 1891 or 1901
the only other one I can find in 1881 is on a large vessel that looks like merchant navy not a fishing boat and then dissapears from the census.

1881 England Census
about Edward Mace
Name: Edward Mace
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Louisa
Gender: Male
Where born: Haddiscoe, Suffolk, England

Civil Parish: Runham
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street address: 10 Bure Place
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Mariner

Registration district: Flegg
Sub-registration district: East Flegg
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Mace 37
Louisa Mace 37
Edith E. Mace 9
Laura E. Mace 7
Sydney H. Mace 3
Richard J. Mace 1

maybe not though as here he is hale and hearty in 1911 and not deceased.


HOUSEHOLD MACE LOUISA F 1845 66 Flegg Norfolk
HOUSEHOLD MACE ALFRED CHARLES M 1882 29 Flegg Norfolk
HOUSEHOLD MACE EDWARD M 1846 65 Flegg Norfolk
HOUSEHOLD MACE FLORA F 1889 22 Flegg Norfolk

But this edwards death is where gertrude says she was born
and born about the same year as the one still alive in 1911

Deaths Sep 1902 (>99%)
Mace Edward 55 Yarmouth 4b 22

not to good at this but ive found 1901

pheabo mace 1820
edward mace 1852
lucy 1882 ..>>> may be gertrude
william 1873
ellen 1875
george 1895
elizabeth 1898
all in winlaton durham

no sign of any of them in 1891


also found a nelson mace durham

i always recall you saying people used to use their middle names a lot

where does this one go in 1911??
Cant see a death for her either

Births Jun 1902 (>99%)
MACE Louisa Mary Norwich 4b 159

Or a marriage.

With atkinsons visiting them
But edward is a general labourer


1891 England Census
about Lucy Mace
Name: Lucy Mace
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Blaydon, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Winlaton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Cuthberts
Town: Blaydon
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Gateshead
Sub-registration district: Winlaton
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Blake 36
Martha Blake 33
Phoebe Mace 69
Edward Mace 40
William Mace 18
Lucy Mace 10
William Greminson 19
George Atkinson 35
Eliza Atkinson 30
John Oliver Atkinson 8
Frederick O Atkinson 6
Ada Atkinson 1

In 1911, the place of birth of

ATKINSON GERTRUDE 1883 28 Sedgefield Durham

who was living with

ATKINSON CHARLES S 1909 2 Sedgefield Durham
ATKINSON WILLIAM F 1884 27 Sedgefield Durham


was ***NORFOLK*** !!!

I searched with Norfolk as place of birth, and yes, she came up.

I tried Norwich, and no, she didn't. So it was Norfolk but not Norwich.


Births Dec 1884
Mace Gertrude Lilly Norwich 4b 145


The other places in Norwich reg dist were

Earlham
Easton
Heigham
Lakenham

None of them work in 1911 -- but there were undoubtedly other dinky little places in the district.


Sean, have you looked at that 1911 census record? I forget.

You really need to, if not. If you have, what does it say for their places of birth?????