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Hi again, Alexander's occupation was mason and Duncan's now looks like hammerman not housepainter , really difficult to read some of these.
Rootgatherer, I was born in anderston, Argyle street, but moved to london when i was a wee girl, is that anywhere near where you are?
Catherine I will take a look for the marraige and let you know
best wishes jean

I thought that they may have been Duncan's from a first marriage?
He was about six years older than her and it wasn't her first marriage, so it's very possible it wasn't his!

Hi Girls

Sorry to throw a spanner in the works but what is the parentage of Duncan McGregor, aged 10 years living with Margaret Mitchell in 1851? And Elizabeth and Janet...............??

Do you think Agnes married her brother-in-law? How else could these children have such similar ages?

I'm just pleased it's all become so much clearer, I hate loose ends. If only we could find this marriage for Agnes and Alexander. If you check scotlands people for the one I found could you let us know if it fits?

Crikey you two, what can I say you are doing all my hard work for me not that i am complaining mind you.I am going to look at all the info you have just given me Catherine and try and match them up with my notes and get back to you. It certainley looks like they are all together in the 1851 but not the 1861 as the children are living with grandmother @ 4, stirling street.

jean

Hi Catherine

That makes sense. Glasgow city centre was full of Tenements (I live in one that was built in the 1890s) walking distance from the streets you have found on the census. Even in my younger days (50 years ago) families often lived in the same tenement. When a son or daughter got married the mother would "speak to the factor" to get them a vacant property. Before a property became vacant you could have a few generations living in the same flat. As soon as one was vacated the mother would be off to speak to the factor!!

Hello rootgather,
Have a look at what I have found, it shows that Duncan and Agnes were all actually living in the same house 2 Stirling Street in 1851!

Catherine

I think the second census for Alexander is more likely. St Andews Square and Abercromby Stret are spitting distance whereas South Coburg Street is across the river.

Greenvale Street is also near Abercromby Street.

All 3 of these are in the Calton.

Here's the second one in 1851:-
Name: Alexander Stewart
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Relationship: Head
Spouse's Name: Agnes
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow, Lanark
Parish Number: 644/1
Civil Parish: Glasgow St John
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 31 Greenvale St
Occupation: Cotton Spinner
ED: 28
Page: 22 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 86
Line: 9
Roll: CSSCT1851_161
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexander Stewart 35
Agnes Stewart 34
James Stewart 13
Cathrine Stewart 11
Marion Stewart 9
Jean Stewart 2
William Stewart 4
Alexander Stewart 1

so must be the first one noted as (occupation Mason)!

Hi Jean

As Agnes Stewart McGregor ms Mitchell died in the City Poorhouse she almost certainly claimed poor relief to get in there at that time. If I didn't work fulltime I would be hot-footing to the Mitchell tomorrow on your behalf!! Alas, these records cannot be access via the internet. The Mitchell has indexed all the names and you then get the reference and they bring the actual books to you to look at. They are a wealth of information as they give not only the parents names but the names and ages of all their children and often the addresses, spouses and the number of children that the children have! They tell you if the parents and children are dead or alive too. They also list all the addresses that the claimant has stayed at.

I still have my doubts that all the grandchildren staying with Margaret Mitchell have the same mother.

I wonder why Agnes left her children with her mother when she was married to Mr McGregor!

On scotlands people, I managed to narrow down a marriage:-

Surname: Mitchell
Forname: Agnes
Spouses name: Alexander
Date: 27 December 1839
County: Lanark
Parish: Biggar (so that might not fit)

and as there are two possibilities in 1841 census it could be the other one???

Hang on, this looks like another one, so maybe.....?

ALEXANDER STEWART - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 08 DEC 1839 Gorbals, Lanark, Scotland
Spouse: AGNES MOIR

Found two possible 1841 for Agnes and Alexander:-

Name: Agnes Stewart
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Female
Where born: Lanarkshire, Scotland

Civil Parish: Gorbals
County: Lanarkshire
Address: South Coburg Street
Parish Number: 644/2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexe Stewart 20 born: Scotland (Occupation: Mason)
Agnes Stewart 20

and this one:-

Name: Agnes Stewart
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Female
Where born: Lanarkshire, Scotland

Civil Parish: Glasgow St Johns
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 14 Abercromby St
Parish Number: 644/1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexr Stewart 25 born: Lanarkshire (Occupation: Cottn Spinner)
Agnes Stewart 20
James Stewart 3
Cathrine Stewart 1

The death register gave Duncan McGregor's occupation, did it not say what her first husband's occupation was?

Possible birth:-
DUNCAN MCGREGOR - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 14 SEP 1816 Glassary, Argyll, Scotland
Father: DUNCAN MCGREGOR
Mother: ELIZABETH MCGILP

1861:-

Name: Agnes McGregor
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : Duncan
Gender: Female
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 644/10
Registration district: Hutchesontown
Civil Parish: Glasgow Govan
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 3 Hospital St
ED: 60
Household schedule number: 52
Line: 12
Roll: CSSCT1861_112
Household Members:
Name Age
Duncan McGregor 44 born: Glassary, Argyleshire (Blacksmiths Hammerman)
Agnes McGregor 37


and 1871:-
Name: Agnes McGreger
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : Duncan
Gender: Female
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 644/4
Registration district: Calton
Civil Parish: Glasgow St Andrew
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 38 St Andrews Sq
ED: 12
Household schedule number: 5
Line: 2
Roll: CSSCT1871_130
Household Members:
Name Age
Duncan McGreger 54 born: Kirmechal, Ayrshire (Hammerman )
Agnes McGreger 47

Here are the couple in 1851:-

Name: Agnes McGregor
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's Name: Duncan
Gender: Female
Where born: Glasgow, Lanark
Parish Number: 622
Civil Parish: Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 2 Stirling Street
Occupation: Dress Maker
ED: 16
Page: 21 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 79
Line: 2
Roll: CSSCT1851_141
Household Members:
Name Age
Duncan McGregor 34 born: Glassary, Argyleshire
(Hammerman Engineer)
Agnes McGregor 28

note address is the same as 1851 census, so looks as though the family were all living together.
Whey it all fits !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm so excited, it's all becoming clear.

DUNCAN MCGREGOR - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 16 DEC 1849 Barony, Lanark, Scotland
Spouse: AGNES MITCHELL

So did she marry Alexander Stewart?

If yes, then he must have died between 1842/43 and 1849!

Of course O.P.R doesn't give parents details.Checking 1841 census.
jean

More news, Agnes's second husband was Duncan Mcgregor not James , sorry for the confusion, quite difficult to read on scotlands people, they married 16.12.1849, Barony, Lanark,Scotland, just going back to find Duncan's parents.
jean

Not having much luck finding Agnes's two marriages???

Been thinking!
Maybe the McGregor children, or at least a couple of them, were Agnes' husband James McGregor's children from a first marriage??

So I have the family as this:-
John Mitchell married Ann Ophiland
daughter Agnes born 1822
Agnes married Alexander Stewart (date ?)
Ann Stewart born 1841
Margaret Stewart born 1843
Alexander died (date ?)
Agnes married James McGregor (date ?)
Agnes died 1874.

So Ann and Margaret were more or less brought up by their Grandmother.

Birth/Christening, 1815 - 1835, Lanark, Scotland, British Isles
Father: John Mitchell, Mother: Ann Oliphand (some noted Oliphant)

ROBERT WARK MITCHELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 01 FEB 1827
Gender: Male Christening: 18 MAR 1827 Barony, Lanark, Scotland
(Submitted)
GEORGE MITCHELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 07 FEB 1825
Gender: Male Christening: 27 FEB 1825 Barony, Lanark, Scotland
(Extracted)
<<<<<AGNES MITCHELL - International Genealogical Index
<<<<<Gender: Female Birth: 28 MAR 1822 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
(Extracted)
JOHN MITCHELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 20 AUG 1816
Gender: Male Christening: 01 SEP 1816 Barony, Lanark, Scotland
(Extracted)
MARGARET MITCHELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 03 JAN 1818
Gender: Female Christening: 25 JAN 1818 Barony, Lanark, Scotland
(Extracted)
WILLIAM MITCHELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 19 NOV 1819 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
(Extracted)

So got the birth for Agnes!