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I'd offer to do the military side but going by the info we have, I think I've already done it!

Almost my bedtime but.......

Evelyn doesn't have any of her brothers' birth certificates but I think she will see if she can get hold of at least one. She doesn't live anywhere near her family so it's all a bit difficult for her.


Many of the family papers were destroyed during the war unfortunately.


I don't know what it says on the marriage cert yet Sue. Either the information has already been given earlier on here, or I will have to wait till Evelyn can get hold of it at the weekend. Sorry.


FBG went to the archives in Dorset and checked the microfiche for the newspapers. The death was probably in many papers because of the lady's great age.


Apparently, someone in the family burnt all the photographs................arrrgghhhh.


Does anyone want to take on a specific issue of this mystery and work on it? It may help us to bring things together a bit............perleeeeze...... :-D


Hark.....I can hear my quilt calling me........night night........and thanks for sticking with it :-)

Cynthia

Thanks for the info about Evelyn's brothers.

Cynthia


PLEASE do you know how old DL was on the marriage cert.

Ta very much..... :-)

I have looked a the Dorset Echo and the Dorset Western Gazette and neither of their archives go back as far as 1945 to 1953.
Still :-S :-S

I said that at the time, Sue. Unless she had a connection to Dorset or she was of a great age or there was something really interesting about her, I can't see why she'd be in the paper.

Just having a think about the newspapers....


WHY would a woman who died in Stonaway in the late 40' early 50's have an orbituary in a Dorset paper..???????

It's nattering me.

:-S :-S

Hi Cynthia,

I like your idea, I have seen this thread very late so I will help if I can but my question is:

Does Evelyn have copies of all her brothers Full Birth Cert's, sometimes folk make the mistake of telling the truth in error as I have seen from something else I worked on.

I could purchase those for the search with permission.

Kind regards
Amanda

Patin Cyprus,

I like your thinking!

Hope in 1911 seems to be Emma at the Baptism of Deidre?
Name Gwendolen Deidre Hope Macleod
GenderFemale
Christening Date11 Oct 1904
Christening Place Mussoorie, Bengal, India
Birth Date25 Jul 1904
Birthplace
Death Date
Name Note
Race
Father's Name Duncan Archibald Macleod
Father's Birthplace
Father's Age
Mother's Name Emma Hope

Kind regards
Amanda

Now I'm dizzy! Thank you everyone.

Where to start?

Evelyn's brothers: Ian Leslie Walter (Walter was from the Roy side). Rodney Brian and Robert John.

The point with the birth query is because Rodney's registration took place much later and was backdated.


Because of the nature of the mystery surrounding Diane, Evelyn is unaware of any cousins. This is why we have been trying to seek out Godparents to see if they are related.


I actually wonder if it's time to take a different slant on this thread.........I'm finding going back and forth looking for various things over the last 4 years really confusing and time consuming - and I may well miss something.

May I make a suggestion? :-)

What if everyone paired up and studied one aspect together?

eg. 2 look at the work already done on Robert MacLeod and link it up where possible.

2 look at the work done on passenger lists to see if any have been missed.

2 look at the work done on possible census for Diane.

2 look at the work done on the old lady who died at 104 to see if we can go further


The findings could then be posted on here which would, hopefully, stop people from spending time looking for something which has been done, and maybe give us a clue of where to stop looking and where to start instead.


Does that make sense, or does anyone have another idea of how we can bring this together so that it flows better?


If so, are there any volunteers who have expertise in certain subjects?


I'm happy to deal with the Godparents issue-Fenwick Goddard's etc. as I have almost got my head round that and feel there has to be a link somewhere.


Thoughts anyone??? :-S

While at the register office yesterday I checked out all c Macleod / mcleod deaths from 1946 till 1960 in stornoway aged 80 and above

1 Catherine Macleod d 31 march 1951 aged 95 widow of Donald Macleod fisherman informant Donald Macleod son .Parents Murdo Macleod fisherman and Margaret Macleod ms Campbell

2 Catherine Macleod d 16 june 1956 aged 92 widow of Angus Macleod fisherman informant Donald Macleod son .Parent Isabella Finlayson no father

3 Catherine Macleod d 23 feb 1946 aged 46 wid of Roderick Macleod fisherman informant Finlay Macleod brother in law .Parents John Macleod fisherman and AnnMacleod ms Macleod

4 Catherine Macleod d 29 aug 1949 aged 82 wid of Malcolm Macleod fisherman informant ? Macleod son .Parents John McIver fisherman and Kate McIver ms Mascaskill

5 Catherine Macleod d 4 feb 1950 aged 81 wid of Kenneth Macleod fisherman informant D Macleod nephew . Parents Roderick Morrison fisherman and Flora Morrison ms Macleod

6 Catherine Macleod d 23 july 1949 aged 81 wid of Malcolm Macleod baker informant John Macleod son . Parents John Macleod stone mason and Jessie Macleod ms Mackay .

There were no K Macleod / Mcleod

Hope this helps

Kathy

Not sure where this collection is, but it is Indian Army Officers photos and there is a Robert Macleod Hawkins listed

http://www.bl.uk/catalogues/indiaofficeselect/PhotoShowDescs.asp?CollID=130


Edit: Held in Pancras London, and appears to be several for this gent!

Have read this thread several times but can't remember if this girl was looked at.

Would Diane liked to have been born a Deidre? Could Diane have been frugal with the truth re age?

Think the visitor references for the children mean born during parents visit to that country.

Private means, a governess and servant, might explain allowance until she married.

Unable to find marriage or death for Deidre, Hope and Duncan, they may have gone to Scotland though. No father's name as Hope already a widow.

Perhaps they went to Scotland to their father's family and if mum died or remarried Deidre may have gone to father's relatives.


1911 Census Household Record

Household information

Address 7 Wimborne Gardens W Ealing
Parish Ealing
Town W Ealing
Type of Building Private House
Number of Rooms 6
Inhabited Y
Reference RG14PN6876 RG78PN343A RD128 SD4 ED9 SN130
Administrative County Middlesex
Registration District Brentford
Registration Sub District Brentford
Enumeration District 9

Householder 1

Name Hope Mcleod
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Condition / Years Married Widow
Gender F
Age 38
Estimated Year of Birth 1873
Occupation Private Means
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Farnham Surrey

Householder 2

Name Deidre Mcleod
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Gender F
Age 6
Estimated Year of Birth 1905
Occupation Juvenile
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Mussoorie India Visitor

Householder 3

Name Duncan Mcleod
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Gender M
Age 4
Estimated Year of Birth 1907
Occupation Juvenile
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Mango Ireland Visitor

Householder 4

Name Magali Mercanton
Relationship to Head of Household Governess
Condition / Years Married Single
Gender F
Age 20
Estimated Year of Birth 1891
Occupation Governess
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Switzerland Resident

Householder 5

Name Elizabeth Kinnan
Relationship to Head of Household Servant
Condition / Years Married Single
Gender F
Age 28
Estimated Year of Birth 1883
Occupation General Servant Domestic
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Longford Ireland Resident

Sorry this may be another strand to chase up

:-)

Cynthia, I'm pretty sure the witnesses were from Evelyn's fathers side so not sure this will be much help, but then again, anything goes :-S

India General Service Medal (1909)From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, search India General Service Medal

Statistics
Established 1909

The Indian General Service Medal (1909 IGSM) was a campaign medal approved on 1 January 1909,[1] for issue to officers and men of the British and Indian armies. In 1925 it was also awarded to officers and men of the Royal Air Force.

The 1909 IGSM was awarded for various minor military campaigns in India, during 1908 to 1935. Each campaign was represented by a clasp on the ribbon; 12 were sanctioned.[2]

This might just be another avenue to search :-|

This extract appears to confirm that the Major, if he is a major, would have most likely been in India at the time Diane claims:

The Seaforth’s stayed in Egypt until late 1902 before sailing to India where they were garrisoned at Nasirabad, Spottiswood having
been promoted to Major on the 7th of December 1901. He became the Regimental 2 i/c on the 6th of June 1903 before assuming
command of the Battalion on the 22nd of December 1905 having been with the same unit for 24 years. Whilst in India (including
Nowshera) he commanded his Battalion in operations on the North West Frontier in the Mohmand country and was in the
engagement at Matta. For this he received the I.G.S.M. with bar for North West Frontier 1908. Retirement from the army must

I think it´s been said before that Diana is an unlikely, though not impossible,name for a child born in the 1900s. Much more likely to have been adopted by a girl in the 1920s who didn´t like her birth name.
But then, I think it´s fairly clear that she wasn´t entirely truthful on a number of points.
It´s like trying to piece together my mother´s origins all over again (& despite having my suspicions, I have never got to the bottom of that either, but that´s another story.)

1---Cousins,,,,,,,would these be of a similar age to Diane?

2-----Aunt Kate,,,,,could she have been --Catherine-Katherine-Kathleen,

3,Has Ireland been checked for births?

4,Could Robert Macleod have been a stepfather?

Had incomming passengr list been all looked at with a birth as 1905,,,many Macleods destination as --Greenock and Glasgow,
as Diane states born in India,she must have at that time come to UK by sea,could even be listed as infant,

including-----Major Guthrie Robert Macleod ,,,,another as MAGOR Macleod,,,,,these could have family listed with them?

Yes, Cynthia, I remember the first names of the brothers but don't remember if any middle names. Was the 3rd one Rodney B? If so, he appears to have been registered in 1937 with a note "see D 1947", then a child of the same name is registered in Dec quarter 1947 - seems odd??

Will need to check that Ann, but I think she has told us somewhere on here. Sadly, one of them died just a few weeks ago. I know there was an Ian, and a Robert but I can't remember the third. Must be bedtime........brain is fading......

I do remember that her father was Herbert Roy.