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(on the residents, 44, Dafforne Road 1931/2)

Frederick Robert Smithson, Marriage 1928, Epsom, Surrey. Alice Clark.

Frederick Death, 1993, Thanet, Kent. (b 1904)
Alice Death, 1981, Thanet, Kent. (b. 1906) or another 1984, Canterbury, Kent. (b. 1902)

Hubert Edward Mearing, Marriage 1929, Kingston. Doris Clark.

Hubert Death, 1970, Sutton, Surrey. (b. 1904)
Doris Death, 2001, Sutton, surrey. (b. 1904)

(Clark girls perhaps Sisters?)

Evelyn Gertrude Goddard Fenwick (known about!)

Kathleen McDowell?...(below could be a couple of possibles, or could she be the Aunt Kate, either in relation, or just known as 'Aunt')

1911
MCDOWELL, John Head Married M 28 1883 Off License Keeper Kent Chalham
MCDOWELL, Janetta Wife Married4 years F 25 1886 Assisting In Business Devon Plymouth
MCDOWELL, Kathleen Daughter F 3 1908 London Tooting
RENDEN, Mabel Servant Single F 18 1893 General Servant Domestic London Tooting
RG number: RG14
Piece: 2363
Reference: RG14PN2363 RG78PN78B RD26 SD5 ED78 SN147
Registration District: Wandsworth
Sub District: Streatham
Enumeration District: 78
Parish: Wandsworth Borough
Address: 69 High ST
County: London

1911
MCDOWELL, Louisa James Wife Widow F 46 1865 Hanwell Middlesex
MCDOWELL, Kathleen Daughter Single F 23 1888 Sewing Machinist Tailoring Chatham Kent
MCDOWELL, Eileen Daughter Single F 20 1891 Sewing Machinist Tailoring Chatham Kent
MCDOWELL, Marjorie Daughter Single F 18 1893 Sewing Machinist Tailoring Chatham Kent
MCDOWELL, Dora Daughter F 11 1900 School Chatham Kent
RG number: RG14
Piece: 3916
Reference: RG14PN3916 RG78PN149 RD47 SD1 ED32 SN240
Registration District: Medway
Sub District: Rochester and Chatham
Enumeration District: 32
Parish: Chatham
Address: 42 Coronation Road Chatham
County: Kent


Evelyn G F, Brother, George D C, Marriage 1936, wife Patricia...

(thinking 1932 Evelyn Patricia Kathleen Roy, is taking these names, or, certainly a coincidence!)

Chris :)

1930
15, Trinity Road Balham/Tooting. Edgar Watts, Jeannie M Watts. Herbert John Roy, Diane Leslie Roy.

(same as above, 1931)


Jeannie Matilda Watts, Death, 1986 Wandsworth. (b. 29th July 1890) (as a possible)


(Trinity Road being near Dafforne Road, with Springfield Hospital also nearby)


edits (haven't seen Quoy about on 'Boards' lately, hope she is ok)


(Oops!, posted just behind Cynthia above)

THE GODDARD-FENWICK CONNECTION


‘Our’ Evelyn seems to have been named after a lady named Evelyn Gertrude Savile Goddard-Fenwick who was her Godmother.

'Our' Evelyn's full name is EVELYN PATRICIA KATHLEEN and she was born in Dafforne Road, London in 1932.

I have been in touch with the vicar of the parish in which Dafforne Road is situated but he was unable to find a record of a baptism. I am currently in the process of contacting the next parish. When ‘Our’ Evelyn was 2 years old, the family moved to Weymouth.

There must have been a certain closeness between Diane and Evelyn for her to name her daughter after her.

So, what about Evelyn G.S. Goddard-Fenwick?

Born 1875 in Jersey.


Parents: George S. Goddard. Paymaster in R.N. and Christophine S. C. Fenwick
(nee Fenwick). Some work has been done on Christophine, but it doesn't seem to impact on our research so I won't muddy the waters at the moment.

Siblings:
Christophine F. 1870-1947
William H.W. 1874-1965
Emily G. 1877-1952
George D. 1880-1961 Edit: marries a PATRICIA
Gwendoline 1881
Louisa 1883-1935

Christophine, Gwendoline and Louisa became Nuns and William was ordained into Ministry. Emily lived with Evelyn.


In 1881 the family are living in Stoke Damerel, Devon.

In 1891 at school in Paignton, Devon with sister Louisa. - Edit.

In 1901 in South Kennington

In 1911 in Clapham - listed as a teacher of Piano, Violin and singing

She then stays in the Wandsworth area : Foulsar Road : Dafforne Road.

Edit: One of the residents in Dafforne Road was a KATHLEEN McDowell.

In 1927 she is spotted travelling to Canada on board the Ausonia for her brother's wedding.

She returns, 3 months later on the Ascania.

Evelyn G-F taught at the City of London School for Girls. They have been contacted but nothing on her was found.

Evelyn died in 1943 in Wandsworth. I have a copy of her will in which she leaves various items to
relatives:

Violin to her niece Veronica Goddard-Fenwick
Royalties from her compositions to her niece Evelyn Mary Goddard-Fenwick
Mother's paintings and miniature of her grandfather to her nephew Willougby Goddard-Fenwick
Old chinaware to nephew Theodore
Portrait of Heiress of Rushworth - an ancestor - to cousin Marcus Stapleton Martin.
The remainder went to Emily her sister.

We have traced some living Goddard-Fenwicks living in Wales but, despite phone calls and letters, they were not overly co-operative.

I found a connection on FB who was extremely helpful but muddled up the Evelyn we were looking at with her niece Evelyn Mary. Nothing further was gained.


That's it in a nutshell. I intend to see if I can now trace some of the relatives of people in the will. A longshot I know but................................. :-S


May I suggest that, if anyone comes up with something else, I copy it onto this item and then the finder can delete it. That way, we may be able to make more sense of our findings.

Hope that makes sense.

:-D

No I haven't got a copy of it yet Ann.....I'm hoping Evelyn will manage to get it over the weekend.

I have though, found a reference to it on here.....page 51.....Witnesses: E.M. Roy - the bridegroom's mother and an F.H. Pratt, friend of the bridegroom.......



Renes? Behave yourself! tuts...... ;-)


Kay, not sure about the newspapers to be honest......do you have access at all?


Just hoping to round off my F-G's now.... :-D

Has any newpapers been read,in just the name of Macleod/Mcleod......a task but a quick view shows mainly in Scotland,,,something could be related or click into something else......a few Major Macleods mentioned ---relevant?.

Cynthia

Yes delighted to help


ps can I wear a nurses uniform pleeease

Thanks Cynthia!

I'm only up to page 30....... Just saw that Evelyn says he was in 1st Battalion Seaforth Highlanders which she appears to have seen on Diane's marriage cert - she hadn't mentioned the battalion before. I think we need to see that marriage cert. Have you got a copy of it?

Ann...............I think you're just wonderful....... :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D


Vanessa, I'm not sure that those Diane's were checked as we were concentrating on Scotland.


Kathy.......you're quite right, we don't know for certain that Aunt Kate's name was MacLeod.

Would you be willing to check anything on the107 year old lady's records please. There is some info on here - from about last summer I think. If you could then post it on here as a complete item, we can then either forget about it or move on with it. Many thanks for your great offer.


Thanks to you Renes too............could you please draw together all that we have on Diane's time at the Springfield hospital. It may help us to either give that closure or open another avenue. :-)


Would anyone like to volunteer to check the passengers lists which have been posted on here re the possibility of Diane travelling back/forth to India (or wherever). Again, if they could be posted we can rule them out ......or not!


Kay, this search is composed of many 1m dollar questions!!

In answer to your questions - as best as I can......Diane was in London because she was working at the Springfield Hospital. Why London, we do not know but, apparently it was quite common for young girls from Scotland to travel down to London as nurses. I remember reading that somewhere.


Evelyn has absolutely no idea as to why relatives weren't mentioned and that's part of the point of her search. Does she have any maternal family somewhere? We've wondered if there was something that Diane was ashamed of ie maybe illegitimacy etc...... who knows??


Apparently, Diane told her children that she lived in Stornoway with Aunt Kate- you can see a bit of the story on the first page of this thread.


Thanks everyone - am now going back to the G-F's!!!



:-D <3 :-D

Diane would have been 22/23 when she married in 1929,if fact are right,

There are a few things,

Why was she in London,,,,,,a very long way at the time from Stornoway,,,,,,,did she come down because relatives were here,?

why did she never mention her mother or any siblings she may have had?

as far as Evelyn knows Diane had no contact with Scotland or at least Evelyn never.

Where did she get sent from to Stornoway.?

Cousins at the time could have been a parents cousins,

If any answers are out there then it lies in Stornoway and some personal local digging about coupled with Edinboro.plus money spending in areas such as Wills,a personal search is more productive than any online as many documents arent online that could be looked at.


It wasnt unusual for army people to leave their children behind when they went abroad back then,sometime with family sometimes at a boarding or prep school.,,,,,,,,

Had a quick look but can´t see Doris Evelyn in 1911.
Was she in Scotland???

Cynthia

I am willing to do a précis of any subject

Just tell what you would like

( to say thank you for all the WW1 names you looked for the WW1 War Memorial )

:-D

What about this birth? There have been a few links with Wandsworth, and of course Evelyn!


MCLEOD Doris Evelyn England London, Wandsworth 1906
VIEW

Same search for Diane with a Robert gives quite a few results, but nothing that seems to jump out!

Have done a search on FMP for Diane's born 1906+/- 5 years, with a Donald (cousin?). Bit out but can anyone rule these out

Household MACDONALD, Diana 1911 0 F Thanet Kent VIEW VIEW
Institution ROBINSON, Diana Katharine 1911 0 F Overseas military VIEW VIEW

Cynthia

Re your post

Would you have time to bring it altogether and post it as a complete post so that I can make a note of the page where all of the military stuff is, and refer people to that page when they ask if such-and-such has been looked at?

OK, will do. I may be gone some time......

Since I go you the register office every week I can look at 1911 scottish census plus bmd records.


Do we know for sure that aunty Kate was a Macleod . ?

Kathy

Edit evelyn says on page 1 that she doesn't know Kate's surname

Since I go you the register office every week I can look at 1911 scottish census plus bmd records.

Just a thought .

We don't know that aunty Kate was a Macleod .

Kathy

I have reached page 70 of this thread............. xjskwirufndpqkeicnay.....is now how I am beginning to see things!! :-D

It is VERY hard not to get side-tracked but I have tried to stick to simply getting details about the G-F family. It's coming together nicely and has given me some more thoughts.

Funnily enough Vanessa, I have just passed something about DNA - somewhere on the pages 60-70.


Going for lunch......... ~~~~~~~~~

I'm sure I've seen somewhere that there is a MacLeod DNA project - is this something Evelyn might consider, to see if indeed Diane was a MacLeod?? Not sure how these things work, but just another angle that might tell us if we are on the right track??

Good morning........ :-)


Thank you Ann.....I think you probably have covered most aspects of the military side but, can I ask a favour.........please?


Would you have time to bring it altogether and post it as a complete post so that I can make a note of the page where all of the military stuff is, and refer people to that page when they ask if such-and-such has been looked at?


I just think it would be great to be able to say (in answer to a query)......"please look at page *** which shows you which records have already been searched."


I will keep a note of which page each section is posted. Hopefully, that should bring things up-to-date and avoid further searching through 99 pages of theories.


Are there any volunteers to bring together all the Springfield Hospital notes we have on Diane please? Is that a hand I see waving in the background??? :-D


Now, where is there a kind person who could tell us where has been searched re the very old lady whose death Diane referred to as 'Aunt Kate', when reading a newspaper in Devon? :-D :-D


As I have some free time today, I will try and gather the Goddard Fenwick stuff together and get it posted.


I'll have a quick look and get started before I make the beds............. ;-)

Hi all
Just popping in.......good to see the thread on the move again.

Think we can rule out Deidre as possibly being Diane- the name rang a bell & I found her marriage some time back:


Marriages Dec 1931   (>99%)
Macleod  Deirdre G H  Withers  London C.  1c 1   

But we will keep on looking!

Julie