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CarrieJ..Hi Carol.........There is no Hugh jackson either at Sculcoates or at Holy Trinity..however..I have other irons in the fire and I found:@

HUGH JACKSON son of Hugh and Ann baptised 28.08.1797 at SPROATLEY.

Sproately is a parish 8 miles from Hull......but looks like you Hugh.

There are no ANSELLS either..but there are ANSDELL..at Holy Trinity...if these names ring any bells I'll send you details......Daniel..Elizabeth..James..Mary..Sarah.

Derek

Hi Charlotte..only just got in..the children might have to wait......but I do qualify in one respect..I'm from Yorkshire..........

Hi Derek

Would see if you have anything for the Surname ANSELL in Trinity or Sculcoates.

also anything for Hugh Jackson c1797, parents Hugh and Anne

Many thanks
Carol

update.....
bingo!!! my 5th cousin,nathaniel bell is in his tree has just contacted me,sent a pic of the harrison bell family with my grandmother on it he doesn't know who the others are...wondering if the old one is the dirty old farmer father of harrison stather...sooo exciting said he has stories to tell but alas at work at the mo..


joining this site has been the highlight of the last 11 years since lost mum...should have asked her all about this but you don't think to...

i will let you know what he tells me...and looking forward to having children tonight...wink wink

charlotte

Hi Derek

Could you check a marrage for me

Charles Collingwood b 1814
Ann Hunt b 1812

I think they married Holy Trinity Church 1835.

Looking for parents names / witnesses or anything you can find

Thanks

Katie

dogs are wondering why i am falling off chair laughing hysterically ..
i do hope your'e not a mill owner/farmer from anywhere near yorkshire..

..you might send off for the Marriage certificate for Harrison Arthur Stather who married i think March 1906..should give his father's name........or his Birth Certificate 1885???

Will give you loads of children later tonight........

mm that reads a bit dodgy, but i;'m damned if 'm deleting it!!

Derek

sending you a very good bottle of virtual red wine for all your trouble

oh my oh my
this is so much fun...have left the horses happily munching for today as this is far more interesting..
i am getting a quote from national archives for the will belonging to elizebeth bells parents which is contested by her brother william...should make for a good read...

i'm so glad i didn't marry a farmer...tenner ladies at the ready!!!

not sure if i'm so happy my late mother insisted i had the harrison kept in my name,as has my daughter..although she had a wicked sense of humour no doubt looking down now watching my jaw drop..
got to get my head around how to add all these philandering relatives to my tree now...wait til i tell my hubby what he has married into...

charlotte

Regarding the Bell dispute of 1802..........that would have been the wife ELIZABETH GILDERDALE of NATHANIEL BELL (1771-12.06.1852)
(married 16.09.1794)
by whom he had two children Thomas and Mary

Clealry as a result of the dispute he then married HANNAH HESSAY on 20.02.1803, with whom he had another TEN children last one 1825

including NATHANIEL BELL 31.12.1809-27.03.1898. who married ELIZABETH CLARKSON (1811-1881) married on 30.06.1833

giving birth to your Elizabeth Bell 1842..who was one of SEVEN children....

and you doubt the potency of these Yorkshire Farmers/MIllers!!!!!! lol

If I start it all off with the father of NATHANIEL BELL(1771).......was ALEXANDER BELL 1755-1819..wife unknown.

And that,my dear dog and horse lover should complete your family tree..at least on the BELL side......

I'll see how far back i can take the Harrisons.

PS if you want all the Bell and Harrison children..let me know...will give a very impressive Tree!!

Derek

Charlotte..you may also like to know that harrison Stather was slung off his farm at Everthorp at he expiry of his 15 year lease...07.10.1867,,thats why he is retired in 1881......Hotham Hall Estates..owned by the BUTLER family!!

Derek

Extent 1 item
Title Recognizance of William Bell of New Village and Nathaniel Bell of Gilberdyke
Date 18 Sep 1802
Description :-recognizance of ?10 each that William Bell shall keep the peace towards Elizabeth Bell, his wife


i have just found this on the east riding web site...

ooh god if i am right in my thinking and maths he would have been 70 when he fathered harrison a stather.........??!!!!

p.s yes have read about the two boys being killed by the sails how very tragic at such a young age..

not sure if a mentioned before but think there may have been a twin related to a harrison..wonder if that's why not showing up..died in infancy...can't remember how i found out..it was on here though

thinking note pad and pen and not scraps of paper might help

oh my god how exciting...especially all those years ago...
guess that would be why my grandmother was such an uptight matronly type..who never mentioned her family then..
i have actually never met her she drowned on the cruise ship lakonia in 1963..well well well
will update my tree later will all the invaluable info you have given me,god knows how you do it,but it is fantastic..
dogs walked now three horses to see to...never a moments peace

this might amuse you when i told my daughter aged 12 that someone way back may have been born out of wedlock she was very bemused as to whyn that may be a problem...how things have changed..

charlotte

Hi Charlotte..might be getting close!!

Have been chasing Harrison Stather......who i supect might be the father of Harrison Arthur Stather. This could be juicy!!...or entirely wrong.

Harrison Stather son of John and Hannah Stather born 1815..one of a large family..four of which..including him..NEVER MARRIED.

In 1881 Harrison Stather is living at 36 Hull Road.on the corner ofGreen oak lane...ALONE.....a retired farmer........

It just so happens that NEXT DOOR live the Harrison family.

Elizabeth Harrison....now a widow..is living with her children, including Bell Harrison..and with her parents nathaniel and Elizabeth Bell(nee Clarkson).

So who was he knocking off???? the merry widow?????

Harrison Arthur Stather was born 1885 and accepted as one of the family

and (John)Harrison Stather died locally in 1899

I think Charles Stather MIGHT have existed..but did not live long enough to appear on any Census.

Derek

Ok Charlotte..don't worry..you've got it right...here ia your direct line:

CHARLOTTE

CYNTHIA HOOPER

IRENE HARRISON 1900

BELL HARRISON 1869

JAMES HARRISON (1835) ELIZABETH BELL

JAMES HARRISON (1809) NATHANIEL BELL

NATHANIEL BELL (1777)


Did you find my message about Gilberdyke Mill???

Two of the sons of Nathaniel Bell were killed by the sails of the Mill

More later

Derek

cripes am really confused now as can't find him on census...think brain had overload with it all...will make a pot of coffee and struggle on...
you are fantastic to help people like this..have had so much help from this site is amazing...good job have day off


charlotte

also i have seen the pic and history on gilberdyke by susan butler but she does not know anymore apart from that she thinks there were some goings on between the families..which i think i know now
the pic has my grandmother and her sister in it as it has tghere names on the back

yes you have got it irene harrison was my grandmother
bell harrison my gt gt grandfather that much i know is for sure
it's the harrison stather bit that i am wracking my brains at,i can see they lived next door and the stathers ran the mill after my relatives but the name must mean that a stather and a harrison had a child,was he illegitimate?/
all very intriguing and exciting to have a bit of scandal..
my sister remembers very vaguely as she is 15 yr's older that irene never mentioned her parents ever,all very cloak and dagger,but she did inherit a lot of money at some stage...

looking forward to seeing if you can work this riddle out
many thanks
charlotte