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This is the King/ Wells connection:-

1891 Census - Finsbury

Thomas King 38 b. Finsbury-
Mary A King 35 b. Camden Town
Thomas King 9 b. Holloway
Ernest King 8 b. Holloway
John King 3 b. Kentish Town
Frederick King 5 mths b. St. Lukes
Elizabeth Wells 62 - mother-in-law
George Wells 24 b. Camden Town

Thanks Pam for looking at 1911 census

so sorry i wasent on line yesterday but my mum had a turn as this weather is really playing her breathing up

right i have several old photo's of walter and blew them up as big as i could and behold there is was his ring and little finger was missing,
so this is enough info for me to belive this is the same family, he must have been married to both women at the same time,
so far he has used WALTER A KING
WALTER KING
EDGAR WALTER KING
WALTER EDGAR KING

Ihave now sent for his marriage cert for his marriage cer for Nellie,
i have his m arriage cert to ESTHER and LYDIA but on all the cert i have his Fathers name has been THOMAS, and yes he may have just picked it out of the air, but there is a family where one of the Children was called JESSIE and Walters 1st chilld was EILEEN JESSIE, and my grandfather was THOMAS.
its the nearest i have ever got to finding him.
i will wait and see what this marriage cert shows.

i am so very sorry for the waist and disbelief i have felt about the info you have given me, but you must admit if this was your family you may have throught as me.

but thank you so very much for helping with my puzzel, i still have a long way to go, but at last i think i am now getting there, thanks to your kind help

my regards as always

Kelly

I do hope you come back Kelly when you get that third marriage certificate - just to satisfy our curiosity! Let us know if his father's name and occupation are the same on it.

You right too, I don't think any or us would like to think that our Grandad was "a bit of a lad"! But then divorce was out of reach for most people at that time and he obviously did WANT to marry all three of these women.

yes of course i will it normally takes about 7 days but as soon as i know
you will to, and thank you for your patience, i do remember talking to you
before.

oops i did mean to say thank you to Pam for looking on the 1911 census for me

my regards

Kelly

Kelly,

You are welcome to the help I have been able to offer. Pleased I could be of assistance.

I found two more births for King mmn Thatcher:

Winifred E 1916 June quarter
Walter E 1918 April quarter

Both in Lambeth, next borough to Camberwell.

Could these be Walter's as well?

please i hope not, its bad enough him being married to 2 women at the same time let alone any more ha

Kelly

Sorry,

Winifred born July quarter not June. It was the fact that the mmn was the same, same area and son called Walter E. He could have carried on seeing Nellie!

Judy

There are two marriage for King/Thatcher. One is Camberwell the other is Holborn (which covers Clerkenwell).

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1908 (>99%)
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KING Arthur Holborn 1b 1118


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1911 (>99%)
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King Walter A Camberwell 1d 1686

hi

thank you i would have thought it would have been the camberwell one but i have sent for there marriage cert so will let you all know. but yes i would think he did carry on seeing Nellie by the birth dates of the children he had, then will start
work on just how many children he had, shudder to think,
its such a shame that my uncle Harry died in march, he was so very interested in this tree and i used to share with him what i had found,
Walters son William 1913 was married to a Winifred.

but thank you so very much for your time and hard work

my regards

Kelly

Hi all,

well i received my Marriage cert for WALTER ALFRED KING.bachelor, Coachman, 4, Fernley rd camberwell, fathers name EDWARD MITCHELL KING

to NELLIE SOPIA THATCHER, Spinster 23, Reedham st, Peckham

Both aged 21yrs in 1911,

whit. G.H. HINDES.
W.V.HINDES.

i dont know where my uncle got this paper from and now am unable to ask him. but one of the pictures i have of WALTER it does appear to have 2 fingers missing,
but on his other marriage cert it says THOMAS KING one is General Dealer and the other Greengroser which i know to be true.
as WALTER took over this business and my mum can remember her dad (THOMAS) saying him and his brother (WILLIAM) had to sell a cart load of veg before they had anything to eat and went to school. so now i think i am back to square one,

Kelly

i have found 2 Deaths for WALTER ALFRED KING

born 1887 died 1970 in Fulham

born 1896 died 1973 in Hitchin.

and i know for a fact that Walter died in Orpington Hospital, in 1950 and was buried in Cudham Kent.

Kelly

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Mar 1864 (>99%)
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KING Edward Mitchell Lambeth 1d 357

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Births Jun 1892 (>99%)
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King Edward Mitchell Wandsworth 1d 553


That Edward Mitchell King is a General Labourer in 1891 - and there is a son Walter living with the family!

1901

Name: Edward M King
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1893
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Edward
Mother's Name: Harriet
Gender: Male
Where born: Newington, London, England

Civil parish: Charlton
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Woolwich
Sub-registration district: Charlton
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 142
Household Members: Name Age
Edward King 39
Harriet King 39
Florence D King 19
Edith E King 14
Edward M King 8
May A King 3
Mark King 31 Brother

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 562; Folio: 150; Page: 20.



EDIT

No Walter in 1891 with them either!

Name: Edward King
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Harriet
Gender: Male
Where born: Studford, Berkshire, England

Civil parish: Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: London City
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: St Mary Newington
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Edward King 29
Harriet King 29
Florance King 9
Edith King 4

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 364; Folio 94; Page 16; GSU roll: 6095474

Thank you, i really dont know what to say, i am more confused now than normal. !!!

Kelly

Edward Mitchell King does have a brother Thomas - so I wonder if Walter gave his father's name on one marriage and his uncle on the other!

1871

Name: Edward King
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Lucy
Gender: Male
Where born: Landford, Berkshire, England
Civil parish: Marcham
Ecclesiastical parish: Dry Sandford
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Abingdon
Sub-registration district: Abingdon
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 157
Household Members: Name Age
Lucy King 36
William King 15
Frederick F King 13
Mary A King 11
Edward King 9
Thomas King 7
Charles King 5
Mark King 2
Henry C King 2 months

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1263; Folio: 73; Page: 30; GSU roll: 827846.



Nope, that Thomas doesn't have a son Walter either! And Thomas is an Armiture Winder!

Name: Thomas King
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ada M
Gender: Male
Where born: Dry Sandford, Berkshire, England

Civil parish: Greenwich
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: Greenwich East
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 131
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas King 36
Ada M King 35
May E Thorogood 15
Amy Julia Evered 4

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 541; Folio: 127; Page: 18.



Is it possible that both Edward and Thomas were his uncles and he was illegitimate and so gave an uncles name on his marriage?

Clutching at straws here............. the answer is probably staring us in the face!

Yes anything is possible, some years ago my uncle told my mum that Walter was born to an american lady who didnt want him so she gave him to a family, so thats why it would have fitted in with the older couple Thomas 1855 ish and Mary 1854, but anyone who holds the key is now passed on.

this KING family is a nightmare, they were always changing there names is
WILLIAM was Wally, THOMAS was Harry, and Walter everyone called him Pops. the only one to keep her name was ROSE.
even on my mum's birth cert it says Henry King instead of THOMAS HENRY

but thankyou so very much for your time..

my regards

Kelly

I searched 1950 deaths and the only two I could find that I think are Kent are:

Walter J King 84 Tonbridge
J1950 Volume 5b Page 780

Walter B King 72 Rochford
S1950 Volume 4a Page 531

4, Fernley rd camberwell
No luck finding this address in 1911 to see who lived there then

? 1901 Edward could be a coachman
Name: Walter King
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1892
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Edwd
Mother's Name: Martha
Gender: Male
Where born: Newington, London, England
Civil parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: London
Country: England


Name: Edwd King
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Martha
Gender: Male
Where born: Kennington, London, England
Civil parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: London


Name: Martha King
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Edwd
Gender: Female
Where born: Kennington, London, England
Civil parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: London


Household Members:
Name Age
Edwd King 37
Martha King 34
Walter King 9
Lily King 7
Chas King 4
Albert King 2
William Beaumont 19 stepson
Saml Beaumont 15 stepson


marriage after the birth of Walter ??so was he a stepson as well
Marriages Mar 1897 (this can be viewed on ancestry she was a widow married feb 8th 1897)
ASHTON Susan Holborn 1b 847
Beaumont Martha Louisa Holborn 1b 847 ***
Crabb Frederick George Holborn 1b 847
King Edward Mitchell Holborn 1b 847 ***


Martha's 1st marriage is also on Ancestry can put more info if it could be the family!!