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Wendy
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6 Mar 2009 22:09 |
I did state this at the begining. I am a novice at this and (as you) I assumed it was my thomas as it was the only one I could find. I have been looking for information now for months and just dont know what to do now
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6 Mar 2009 23:13 |
Im totally confused now... If he was 24 in 1893 when married mayve the death is not his in 1900 as it states he was 30. My nan Annie was born jun 1900 and her birth cert says he is deceased, which mean he must of died 1889/1900 Wendy
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Ricochet
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6 Mar 2009 23:17 |
The 1900 death fits with the birth info.........check the 1901 census info I posted. And her mother is a widow, which also fits..................
Ages were not as certain then as they are now..............they didn't have Clinton cards shops then!!
You haven't said who the witnesses were on the marriage cert.................
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Wendy
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6 Mar 2009 23:22 |
I checked with my source and she tell me that the tomas you have information on his her great grandmothers brother and that he is buried in the same grave as Johm and jane and it state the death as 17 Mar 1907. so where do I go from here,
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Wendy
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6 Mar 2009 23:28 |
the witnesses are William Dumbill and Lucy Clarke (well thats what I think they say (writting is hard to make out) does not really shed anymore light on the problem really.
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Wendy
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7 Mar 2009 09:30 |
just thought a recap was in order as we dont seem to be getting far: Thomas Owen. JAN 1893 Age 24 married sarah ellen crank In warrington occupation Labourer his father is John Owen (think is occupatiion is Farmer) Wintness are William Dumbill and Lucy Clarke (again the writting is hard to read). My Grandmother Annie Owen in Warrington Jun 1900 shows him as deceased. I found a death in 1900 of a thomas owen aged 30 in warrington, so I presume this is him.
I thought I found him in the census BUT THIS IS NOT HIM Birth: 27 Mar 1870 - Alderley, Cheshire, England Parents: John Owen, Jane Emma Hulme But then after all that it shows Death: 17 Mar 1907 - Nether Alderley, Cheshire, England Anthe source that this comes from tells me that he is in the same grave as his mother and father John& Jane and that she has seen the gravestone.
So if anyone can help I would be grateful. Thanks Wendy
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Dea
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7 Mar 2009 10:10 |
Hi,
Still working on it but I believe this is your Thomas on 1891:
1891: Thomas Owen Age: 23 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Martinscroft, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Woolston With Martinscroft Ecclesiastical parish: Padgate Town: Martinscroft County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: Warrington Sub registration district: Rixton ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Ann Dixon 71 Aaron Dixon 33 Thomas Owen 23 Gen. Labr. Lodger.
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3082; Folio 22; Page 2; GSU roll: 6098192.
This is the same area where Annie was born and Thomas died in 1900.
Burial: 17 May 1900 Christ Church, Padgate, Lancashire, England Thomas Owen - Age: 30 Years Abode: Martinscroft Buried by: William R Hartwright Register: Burials 1886 - 1923, Page 41, Entry 328 Source: LDS Film 2068610
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7 Mar 2009 10:23 |
Probable for 1881 - I will check further!!
1881:
Thomas Owen Age: 14 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867 Relation: Son Father's Name: John Mother's Name: Ann Gender: Male Where born: Warrington, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Woolston With Martinscroft County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address:*** Manchester Road NB - Witness to wedding - William Dumbill was living at Manchester Road on 1891 !!! *** - So was the other witness - Lucy Clarke !! Education:
Employment status: View Image Occupation: Scholar Registration district: Warrington Sub registration district: Rixton ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age John Owen 44 .......................Farm Labourer Ann Owen 39 Thomas Owen 14 Gilbert Owen 11 William Owen 5 Mary Owen 3 John Owen 1
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3800; Folio: 27; Page: 4; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341908.
Source Information:
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7 Mar 2009 12:29 |
This one was hard to find - It must have been the same enumerator as the other one which Ricochet found :
1871: Thos Cune Age: 1 4 months Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869 Relation: Son Father's Name: John Mother's Name: Ann Gender: Male Where born: Warrington, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Warrington Ecclesiastical parish: St Elphin Town: Warrington County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Victoria Street
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View Image Registration district: Warrington Sub registration district: Warrington ED, institution, or vessel: 20 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 190 Household Members: Name Age John Cune 36 Farm Labr b Warrington Ann Cune 29 Thos Cune 1 4 months ... says 1 6 months so (16 months, or 1yr 6months???) Gilbert Cune 3 months Thos Rowland 66 father !!! John Rowland 73 lodger?
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3906; Folio: 99; Page: 41; GSU roll: 842046.
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This then is the marriage of Thomas's parents:
Marriages Mar 1864 Owen John Warrington 8c 120 - his father James Owen Rowland Ann Warrington 8c 120 - father Thomas Rowland
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Wendy
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7 Mar 2009 17:55 |
DEA Thanks for your help with this, I just could not find anything on him your amazing. thanks again Wendy
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Dea
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7 Mar 2009 19:18 |
You are very welcome Wendy - glad to help.
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