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Witnesses appear to be Stephen Mitchells sisters:

Births Mar 1897
MITCHELL Beatrice Violet Croydon 2a 222

Marriages Jun 1915
Mitchell Beatrice V Tice Reigate 2a 561
Tice Thomas H Mitchell Reigate 2a 561

Lindsey, have you come clean? I've just read an old thread in which you say you have Sussex Mitchells of your own - !

Copy of Marriage Cert between Florence Amy Baker/Stephen Mitchell.

9th December 1918 Register Office Lewes Sussex
Stephen Mitchell age 21 Batchelor profession Driver 289729 4th reserve horse transport ASC? residence 6 South Place St Johns Lewes, Fathers name Stephen Mitchell(deceased) profession Farm Labourer.
Florence Amy Baker age 21 spinster no profession, address same 6 South Place, Fathers name Henry Baker profession farm carter. Witnesses Beatrice Violet Fice and Rachel Matilda Mitchell.

I'm just going to keep playing with Florence Bakers. I like that one because of her parents' given names.

In 1901:

James C Martin 55
Annie E Martin 49
> Florence A Baker 26
Frederick Martin 13
James D Martin 9
Leonard W Martin 7
> Florence E Baker 3
William J Tinewell 58
Mary A Ganble 68
Alice Smith 19
Herbert Bucknar 20

Living with parents of Florence A, grandparents of Florence E.
No father in sight.

It is out of such non-standard backgrounds that mistakes as to one's father's name and one's own middle name may arise.

Shake an Ancestry tree and out comes a Florence Baker.

Here's an interesting one:

http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/pt/person.aspx?pid=-947471682&tid=8455952&ssrc=

Florence E Baker
Birth: 1898
Polegate, Sussex

Parents, married 1896:
Albert Henry Baker
Florence Amy Martin born 1874

No other info. And no such marriage in the GRO. Of course.

Births Mar 1898
Baker Florence Elizabeth Hailsham 2b 98
(Polegate is in Hailsham district)

You possibly already have this, but here is the Mitchell family on the 1911 census:



Name: Relationship to head: Marital Status: Years married: Sex: Age in 1911: Occupation: Where born:
MITCHELL, STEPHEN HEAD MARRIED M 49 FARM LABOUR HORSHAM SX
MITCHELL, ELLEN WIFE MARRIED 17 F 50 HORSHAM SUSSEX
MITCHELL, REBECCA DAUGHTER F 16 GENERAL SERVANT CROYDON SUSSEX
MITCHELL, STEPHEN SON SINGLE M 15 FARM LABOURER CROYDON SUSSEX
MITCHELL, RUTCHELL DAUGHTER F 11 SCHOOL PENSHURST KENT
MITCHELL, CYRIL SON M 9 SCHOOL IVIL SUSSEX



MITCHELL STEPHEN (RG14PN5054 RG78PN224 RD77 SD2 ED2 SN255)
Address 10 SPRING GARDENS ST JOHNS LEWES County Sussex
District Lewes Subdistrict Lewes
Enumeration District 2 Parish Lewes St. John Under the Castle

Brenda

Well they only had to ask !

I'm drawn to a possible death for a Stephen Mitchell april 1918 Lewes, which might be father deceased ?
Just a shot in the dark ?

both 21 on marriage cert.
when other GR member gave me the info I contacted a cousin and I was told that she was told by her mother that one of the mitchells thought he was a mitchell but only found out he was a firth after his mother died? this is why the firth story stacks up!

One place where nonsense sometimes originates is Ancestry trees.


Here's one with some meat.

http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/pt/person.aspx?pid=-987815168&tid=4523743&ssrc=

George Firth 1917-1993 was the son of Lewis Firth and Florrie Chattaway.

Florrie Chattaway
Birth: 1897
Bradford, Yorkshire, England
Death: 1936

No source is given for the death.

No death date is given for Lewis Firth.


One other:

http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/pt/person.aspx?pid=-1698869110&tid=3697446&ssrc=

Shows husband Lewis Firth and son George Firth, but no other info.

The only Henry Baker marriage in Lewes 1885-1905, just for interest:

Marriages Jun 1891
Baker Henry Lewes 2b 351
Kimbury Mary Elizabeth Lewes 2b 351
Penfold Emily Lewes 2b 351
Rich George Lewes 2b 351

Rich married Penfold (second marriage, Penfold's children are in the household in 1901). So Baker married Kimbury.

Don't see them in the 1901.


Four Henry Baker deaths in Lewes 1891-1901; this is the youngest:

Deaths Sep 1894
Baker Henry 34 Lewes 2b 94


Florence Baker births in Lewes 1891-1905:

Births Mar 1892
Baker Florence Ruth Lewes 2b 178

Births Dec 1899
Baker Florence Dorothy Lewes 2b 175

Births Sep 1904
Baker Florence Elsie Lewes 2b 174


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If you have time please can you copy all the info from her marriage cert, even witnesses, it might give some clues ?

I may have missed this ...

What were the ages of Stephen Mitchell and Florence Amy Baker on the marriage certificate?

It all seems a bit fantastical -- but I'm not known for ruling out fantastical tales, fear not.

It's just that FChattaway was born in Yorkshire and married and (apparently) had a chld there, FABaker married in Sussex.
You were told of bigamy on FChattaway's part, when evidently it was widowhood.
That sort of thing.

The other GR member did specify the bigamy part?
Or is that something reported in your own family?
Or an assumption made by someone who didn't know about the WWI death?

Oh boy other peoples research, first rule, do your own, In that case I would discount Florrie for the moment, you may be up the wrong garden path !

I think we should stick to Sussex some how.

!! Did this other GR member offer anything to substantiate this tale??

Was this from a hot match / tree search, i.e. did the other GR member search her out in your tree and contact you with that info?

Another Genes reunited member contacted me to say that Florence Amy Baker that married my Grandfather Mitchell was in fact Florrie Chattaway who married a Firth. This GR member was from the Chattaway line, and she said Florence's father was Arthur Chattaway, yet on the marriage certificate she gives Henry Baker as her father? That's why I can't trace back the Mitchell line.
Because I don't know who's who anymore!

Graham

Pending some confirmation of Florrie = Florence, I thought we'd test it by seeing whether Florrie Chattaway Firth might have remarried as a widow after July 1916.

Do you any idea of how many &^($@ Florrie Firths married, in Yorkshire, in the next 10 years??

There's a perfectly serviceable Florence Amy Baker available:

Births Mar 1892
Baker Florence Amy Lewisham 1d 1177

A tad old maybe.


I want to know where the Chattaway / Firth report comes from!

Marriages Dec 1892
Chattaway Arthur Bradford, Y. 9b 50
HOWARTH Henrietta Bradford Y 9b 50

Baker isn't coming into it ...

Births Mar 1897
Chattaway Florrie Bradford, Y. 9b 137

Golly gosh this is a toughy !
Now we need to know what connects Florrie 1 and Florence 2 ??