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looked on wedding cert..Mary married 29th dec 1876.. and so still 19 ..unless as you say..she said she was older... but in census's she one yr younger than John...her husband...going to bed now... but thanks again to you all... if adding more ill check back after work... thanx again ladies....mwah

night night

Aaah don't know John......................getting a bit lost again now! Maybe the LDS searchers went down this same path and made their own facts fit i.e she must be McEwan not Carnican? Mary's record was a SUBMITTED record without factual back up whereas the records that Janice found about the other children were EXTRACTED from microfiche/parish records. Must be time for bed.............If anyone can find this family in 1861 it might help!! Will look in tomorrow fingers crossed that John's brick wall is on it's way to being dismantled...........
Juliex

morning ppl...did search on Scotlands People for Rebecca (mum )and Rebecca (daughter) and Elizabeth on 1861 census..

Rebecca's showed three

No Year Surname Forename Sex Age District City/County GROS Data Image Extract
1 1861 MARTIN REBECCA F 22 HUTCHESONTOWN GLASGOW/LANARK 644/10 093/10 013 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
2 1861 MARTIN REBECCA F 9 AIRDRIE OR NEW MONKLAND /LANARK 651/01 007/01 014 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
3 1861 MARTIN REBECCA F 6 OLD MONKLAND (MIDDLE DISTRICT) /LANARK 652/02 013/02 015 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER

Elizabeths showed 2

No Year Surname Forename Sex Age District City/County GROS Data Image Extract
1 1861 MARTIN ELIZABETH F 8 BRIDGETON GLASGOW/LANARK 644/03 074/03 016 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
2 1861 MARTIN ELIZABETH F 9 ANDERSTON GLASGOW/LANARK 644/08 017/08 014 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER

ages out and not all in same area so possible they not in Scotland for 1861 cencus...also did search for Rebecca as Carnican...nothing there

off to work now

baptism info taken from the online parish clerks project. This is the Lancashire site for it. Coverage is patchy but they had the baptisms for that era but no marriages for Padiham or St Helen's. Can try Lancs CRO if you want for marriage/ Mary's batism St Helen's?

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/

on lancs bmd there are these martin's born St helen's 1858

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1858
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
MARTIN George St Helens St Helens SH/45/17
MARTIN John Daniel St Helens St Helens SH/44/1
MARTIN Mary Ellen St Helens St Helens SH/44/17
MARTIN Mary St Helens St Helens SH/45/16

The reference numbers for the George & Mary are consectutive.............?

thanks all who helped me in this search..Janice...Lancashireann..and Julie(should have said who you was...lol thought you was being quite pushy...pmsl)...going to do some searching on Scotlands People and see if i can find births on any of them born up here

thanks once again...all who contrabuted

Sorry John thought you would realise and I did sign with a x. Do I really seem pushy??? Don't mean to be! Wondered if this was Henry before marriage:

1851 Scotland Census
about Henry Martin
Name: Henry Martin
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relationship: Son
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Parish Number: 622
Civil Parish: Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 1 Hartfield St
Occupation: Chemical Work Labourer
ED: 38
Page: 27 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 86
Line: 14
Roll: CSSCT1851_141
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Ann Martin 63 Head
Henry Martin 24 Son
Letilia Martin 17 Dau
Rennie Boomer 16 Grandson


Wondered if Rennie was significant as Rebecca Junior called her son Rennie?
Incidentally when I clicked on others on page there are a couple of McEwan families living at the same address - no Rebecca though. Would the address 1 Hartfield Street denote a building or would thay all be living in the same house?!

Julie x

HI julie x no you not pushy lol i was joking hahaha..Hatfield Street would have been a tenement so all familys listed would have stayed in building

did some searching today on Scotlands People and found Marriage of Henry Martin to a Rebecca Carnachan/Carnaghan 07/03/1852 O.P.R and birth for Rebecca Martin 1855 to the above also for some reason back then..other children was listed on birthline..no names..just ..1 girl living. 1 boy dec... no sign of elizabeth though 1853 to 1855? and Ange found same info on Familysearch site for marriage

with info you found ill see what i can find around Mary's marriage to John..as her address where she stayed is on cert..and see iff anyone or member of Martin family show up there..then i know its definate link,, lots of info been found and im greatful to all... but still dont seem to have a definate link to Mary and these Martins..i thot she would be there in the 1871 cencus as she was about 13/14 thenbut ill do my bit and cross check if and where possible with Scotlands People...
time for me to get some shut eye

night night julie x

Hi John. I too went to familysearch yesterday , put in Carnican and found lots of Carnochans! They were all called Agnes if I remember rightly, no Rebecca there - so if Ange found her marriage there earlier in the day perhaps we hit a recycling of info period (as Sylvia pointed out earlier)-catch it while you can! So we are looking at a name change or the wrong Rebecca? Your Rebecca is such a mystery......................... I'll keep on looking for Henry & Mary in 1871 and possibly follow the Martin boys for any clues there. Looks like the Walmsley girls had moved in with their aunt Rebecca by 1901

1901 England Census
about Rebecca Ellen Walmsley
Name: Rebecca Ellen Walmsley
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Padiham, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Padiham
Ecclesiastical parish: Habergham All Saints
Town: Padiham
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Burnley
Sub registration district: Padiham
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 166
Household Members: Name Age
Rebecca Hargreaves 43
Rennie Barnes Hargreaves 23
Robt Archer Hargreaves 13
Elizabeth Alin Walmsley 14
Rebecca Ellen Walmsley 15

Julie x

hi again

searched Scotlands People for the family on the census you posted Julie

Mary Ann .....cant find other than same census...and too many Mary's died to pay too see all images lol..though there was two Mary Ann's , but ages at death were way out

Letilia....searched for marriage , death... found nothing

Rennie Boomer... found his death 1866..and had married an Ann Sweeney had 3 kids..after death Ann re-married someone else ,found her and new family on 1871 census

Henry.... married Rebcca 1852..Rebecca jnr born Hatfield St..so either they still stayed with Henry's mother or had flat in same tenement..still nothing for 1861 census in Scotland for them... but sometime after Rebecca jnr was born in nov 1855..and Mary being born in 57/58 they had moved to Burnley area..nothing to link Mary with this family thats concrete..other than name Mary which no one has found info on yet..i.e. census showing a Mary with household either 1861 (aged 3/4) or 1871 (13/14 ish)

found nothing to say or show Mary living with relitives in Glasgow prior to her marriage..she wasnt in service as she worked as a Quincy Porterloom Weaver and address at time of wedding was 111 Piccadily St

and ive not found any of the above Martins there or in Anderston area of Glasgow about that time

so my dilema remains..who is Mary Martins family...lol

info on Burnley Martins shows mothers maiden Name Carnacan/Carnaghan and both Henry and Rebecca from County Down (info from Rebecca jnr birthline)

info i have on marriage and death certificates for my grt gran Mary Martin shows Mothers maiden name McEwan

like to thank everyone for adding any info they found.

maybe so julie...prob why im not a big fan of familysearch site..ok it did back up info i had from Marys marriage cert , though unconfirmed

and prob too many Mary Martin's born too Henry Martin's and Rebecca McEwan too search through if disreguarding the St Helens or Lancashire region...lol

yes julie...Mary / Rebecca and her family a real mystery...lol but one item of correct info is all thats needed to solve the mystery...hahaha..ooh role on that info..please...pmsl

ive added Padiham Martins ,Hargreaves , Walmsley to a Burnley site and waiting to see if i get reply..from any member of family doing family tree...well heres hoping...lol

time to hit the hay zzzzzzzz night all

1851
Thought i would just add this from Ancestry site not that it gives any real
info but who knows Rebecca could be hidding somewhere on a census!!!Name: McEwan
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: Lau??
Gender: Female
Where born: Kippen, ??
Parish Number: 484
Civil Parish: Kippen
County: Perthshire Household Members: Name Age
Lau?? McEwan 56
McEwan 53
McEwan 24
McEwan 14
McEwan 1

Thanks for the post Janice

can anyone find info on a Martin family with similiar names in Derby ? ...Why Derby !!..when its Crosby..i dont know..info was passed too me months ago.. but i put it aside..and was given it again today on the Burnley site

They are: Henry Martin, married aged 52 labourer born in Ireland. Rebecca Martin aged 52 born Liverpool. Henry Martin labourer aged 19 born lancs. Rachel Martin 17 born Crosby, Robert aged 14 born Crosby, George aged 12 born Crosby. Address 12 Brighton Rd Great Crosby.

if im being a pest then slap me...lol..just that Mary had children called George,Henry,and Rebecca and i dont think it came from grt grandads side.. going on what ive seen name wise
grasping at straws now...lol

thanks again

John is this 1881 census info. i.e what years were they born?
would it be this extracted record?

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Rachel Martin Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 11 SEP 1864 Great Crosby, Lancashire, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: Henry Martin Family
Mother: Rebecca

Also
Mary Martin Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 15 MAY 1859 Great Crosby, Lancashire, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: Henry Martin Family
Mother: Rebecca

1871
Name: Mary Martin
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Rebecca
Gender: Female
Where born: Crosby, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Formby
Ecclesiastical parish: Formby


Name: Rebecca Martin
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: West Derby, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Formby
Ecclesiastical parish: Formby
Town: Formby
Household Members: Name Age
Rebecca Martin 41 ----brickmaker wife
Mary Martin 11
Henry Martin 9
Rachel Martin 6
Robert Martin 4
George Martin 2

living Liverpool Street
I think 1861 is back to what i posted on the 1st page?
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Martin 34
Rebecca Martin 31
Elizabeth Martin 12
Mary Martin 2

sorry Janice...got so many Martins in my head..im getting mixed up with who's who..lol

think it was 1881 census..cos Mary not there

the 1871 cencsus puts Mary at 11..by 1876 she be 16..mine was 18/19 when married then....and so the mystery remains...lol

Janice

is there such a seasrch where you can enter Henry Martin married Rebbeca McEwan. circa 1850s...on ancestry or the site you use....?

here is what was on the Burnley site i use...

Hi John, I also research my family tree, my family came to Burnley from Ireland in the 1850's. I came across a family of Martins, The family you mention at 42 Burnley Rd were on the 1881 Census? Rebecca & Elizabeth was born in Scotland? No mention of Henry. I found a family with similiar names in Derby, on the 1881 census. They are: Henry Martin, married aged 52 labourer born in Ireland. Rebecca Martin aged 52 born Liverpool. Henry Martin labourer aged 19 born lancs. Rachel Martin 17 born Crosby, Robert aged 14 born Crosby, George aged 12 born Crosby. Address 12 Brighton Rd Great Crosby. RG113696 folio 22. There is a family on the 1871 Census Liverpool rd Great Crosby. Henry Martin bricklayer aged 34 born Ireland, Rebecca, wife aged 31 born liverpool. Elizabeth daug, aged 12 born liverpool. Mary Martin daug aged 2 born Great Crosby. RG9 2725. Maybe there not the ones but will keep an eye out for any Martins, when searching.