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So is the Sarah living with Mary in 1871 a different child?

Reuben married Anne Clayton Roughlidge. I have tried to find her mother Ann Roughlidge with no luck. Can you help please.
Pauline

I got Sarah Ann Calverts name from her birth certificate.born on the 8th November 1869 at 2 Bishop Gate. Mothers name is Ann Calvert formerly Clayton Rutlidge. They lived at 2 Bishopgate, Deansgate, Manchester.
Pauline

Yes I do
1871 Chorlton on Medlck
Mary Calvert 42 Mar Charwoman b Wakefield Yorks
James 18 son b Manchester
SARAH 2 b Manchester

At the same time
1871 7 Welcomb St Openshaw
Reuben calvert 40 Engine Fitter b Bradford
Ann 30 wife b Liverpool (but see later)
Alfred 8 b Manchester
James 5 b manchester

1881 same address
Reuben Calvert 49 Engine fitter b Bradford
Ann 42 b Manchester (but see later)
Ann Roughlige 63 wid b Canad (Prob Ann's mother)
James Calvert 15
Hannah 9
Timothy 6 all 3 b manchester

1891 Openshaw
Annie calvert 45 (?) wid living on own means b Montreal Canada
Timothy 16 Apprentice iron Moulder
Reuben 14 Bricklayers lab
Henry 11 allb manchester

1861 Openshaw
reuben Calvert 30 Iron Turner b bradford
Mary 30 wife b wakefield
Samuel 9 b bradford
James 7 b Manchester
Mary 5 b Openshaw
Sarah ellen 1 mth b Openshaw

I dont think Sarah would have beeen living with mary in 1871 if she were Ann's child but whether she is Reubens -well who knows?

Pauline

Did you get Sarah Ann's maiden surname from a child's birth certificate please?

Have you tried ordering that death certificate? It is the only possible one listed on Freebmd.

The Reuben with Mary in 1861 is an Iron Turner and the one with an is an Engine Fitter.

Thank you so much. I have these same problems with my grandmothers family, Davies in Wales.
Pauline

Oh dearie, dearie me! The plot thickens! This one is getting very complicated!

So Gillian - you don't think that Sarah Ann is the daughter of Reuben and Ann but of Mary and Reuben?

I wonder if this is your Reuben and the age has been mistranscribed

Deaths Dec 1889 (>99%)
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Calvert Reuben 6 Chorlton 8c 467


I can find no corresponding birth in 1881 - 1884 for the above so I think the age is a mistake.

The only snag to this is that I can't find Sarah on any census records with her father Reuben! Presumably you got Sarah's maiden surname from a child's birth certificate?

The IGI has a Sarah Ellen Calvert b 1861 Openshaw daur of Reuben and Mary -I suspect she may have died young and Sarah Ann born tothem later in 1869
In 1861 Reuben is shown as b 1831 Bradford and Mary b 1829 Wakefield and the 1mth old Sarah Ellen is with them b Openshaw
1871 Chorlton on Medlock has Mary Calvert b 1829 Wakefield married ,with a Sarah b 1869 and a James 18 BUT no Reuben with them

Because he is with a "wife " callled Ann in Openshaw! plus 2 more children

In 1891 Sarah Calvert 22 b Manchester is lodging in Cardigan, Wales with Jones family and shown as "connected with the Salvation Army

Just looking back for that James and here he is in 1881 but no Sarah!

Name: James Calvert
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Ruben
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Openshaw
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 7 Welcomb St
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 66
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ruben Calvert 49
Ann Calvert 42
Ann Roughlige 63
James Calvert 15
Hannah Calvert 9
Timothy Calvert 6
Reuben Calvert 4
Henry Calvert 1

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3908; Folio: 78; Page: 34; GSU roll: 1341933.


And in 1871

Name: Reubin Calvert
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Bradford, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Openshaw
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas
Town: Openshaw
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 52
Household schedule number: 134
Household Members: Name Age
Reubin Calvert 40
Ann Calvert 30
Alfred Calvert 8
James Calvert 5

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3984; Folio: 17; Page: 27; GSU roll: 846092.

Sorry Pauline - I have edited the posting putting in the year (1891) and the source details.

The address is 26 Marple Street and James is a bricklayer, born Manchester and Sarah A was born in Gorton and Rueben in Openshaw

Hi,
What census was that one of James & Sarah Ann Calvert? Robert James Evans & Sarah Ann Calvert's first born was Mary Emma Evans born on 22/07/1893 and she died on 13/12/1907 from burns when her clothes caught on fire.
Thanks
Pauline

Do you have a birth certificate for any of her children please?

This is interesting. Could this be a son and daughter in law of Rueben?

Name: Sarah A Calvert
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: Gorton, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Openshaw
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 81
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Calvert 25
Sarah A Calvert 26
Rueben Calvert 4/12



1891 Census

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3178; Folio 108; Page 28; GSU roll: 6098288.


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1890 (>99%)
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Calvert James Chorlton 8c 944
SMITH Sarah Ann Chorlton 8c 944

Have you found Sarah Ann on any census records before her marriage please?

Can you help me please. I have tried looking for the death certificate for Reuben Calvert before 1892 but I am having no luck at all. Thanks

The address on the marriage certificate is 56 Hill Tide or Side Terrace Watts Town & the witness names were H Ridding & Lillian Annie Wright

Births Dec 1869 (>99%)
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Calvert Sarah Ann Manchester 8d 186

whats the address on the marriage certificate and were any of the witnesses to the wedding calverts

Hi I am trying to find Sarah Ann Calvert born in Manchester abt 1868. I have now got her marriage certificate to Robert James Evans & Sarah's fathers name was Reuben Calvert. He was deceased before her marriage in 1892.
Regards
Pauline