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Hi Will

Got them - it didn't help that they were transcribed as Toot! I never thought of that one, tho' I did try Boot.

If you go to the 1861 C I census and just type England, Essex, Brightlingsea in the 'birthplace' boxes, no names or anything else you'll get the 42 matches, all 'Vessels Guernsey'

I'll have another look in the deaths next week but having seen the mess they made of the 1861 I'd lay money that their disappearance is down to transcription errors rather than death.

All the best

Pam

Hi Pam
The Root family census in 1861 was awful. Took me ages to find it. The N Root you have is Nathan.

RG 9/4403 Schedule No 87 Gorey Pier.
Parish of St Martin, Gorey

Sam'l Root Head 51 Mariner England Samuel
Sus'a Root Wife 49 England Susannah
Eliz'th Root Dau 21 Milliner England Elizabeth
Nathan Root Son Mariner England Nathan
D'l Root Son 14 Carpenter England Daniel

Nathan seems to have been duplicated

Have you got a list of all the other Brightlingsea sailors in Jersey. I might be able to trace my bunch if I can find one of the others. I tried that with the people they were with at Steyning, Sussex in 1851 and it did not work. We are all suckers for punishment though.

Thanks

Will

Will

I can't find any trace of the Root family in Jersey, in fact I can't even find them on the 1861 census. The only one I can find is N Root (presumably Nathan) born Brightlingsea, who appears on board a ship. There were 42 individuals from Brightlingsea on the census, all on board ships.

If you could let me know the census reference I'll have another go next week.

Pam

Geoff

Your Grandparents married at the St Helier Town Church.
As you already know the date and the names of their fathers the only other thing I could learn from looking at the certificate would be the names of the witnesses. If that would be of interest to you I'll have a look next time I'm researching in the Registry Office.

Pam

Jim/Thelma

It still hasn't rained but I went anyway and wouldn't you know it there were 2 Mary Tostevins who died between Feb 1871 and Apr 1872 in St Helier and none for the next 10 years.

The first was a Mary Jane and the second just Mary so I'll have to pop into the Registry Office and have a look at the death entries to find out how old they were - let's hope they weren't both the same age!

I'll get back to you

Pam

Hi Pam
Would it be possible to look into this for a friend please? She has drafted out the information for me below.

I have a family that disappeared after being on the 1861 census at Gorey Pier Jersey

Samuel Root b 1811 Oyster fisherman
Susannah b 1811
Elizabeth b 1839
Nathan b 1841
Samuel b 1844
Daniel b 1846

The family were all born Brightlingsea, Essex

Samuel jnr was at sea and we have him in Falmouth until his death in 1926

Apart from Samuel, the family disappears after 1861.

I heard there was a Cholera epidemic in Jersey just after the 1861 census and am trying to locate the death records to confirm this.

Many, many thanks

Will

Hi Jim/Thelma

I've got a few look-ups to do so I should be in the Archive later this week, weather permitting, ie if it's raining!
I'll have a look for your Mary Tostevin then.

All the best

Pam

Hi Pam
We are still trying to make sense of submitted entries on the igi.
If you can we would be most greatful if you could find a death.
Last sighting
1871
Mary Tostevin abt 1807 England Head St Helier, Jersey

Fondest regards Thelma&Jim

Pam - thank you so very much! I really do appreciate what you have done - even if it does include David, which I didnt want. lol

And yes, I love Henry Male marrying his father's wife's daughter! lol Saved going out looking for a wife I guess.

Thanks again,

Sue

Hi Sue

Here are the marriages you are looking for from the copies of the originals held at the Registry Office.

Dec 21st 1870 St Saviour's parish church
James Male, 56, Widower, from Somerset, occupatation coachman, father (sorry!) David Male, labourer to
Susan Mallet, 52, Widow, from Grouville, Jersey, father Francis Mallet, farmer.

Aug 31st 1856 St Helier
William Pinney, 21, Stonemason, from St Helier, father Richard Pinney, stonemason to
Fanny Male, 19, from Chard, Somerset, father James Male, sawyer

Jan 12th 1865 St Helier
James Bunn, 24, corporal 6th Royal Art, from Essex, father James Bunn, coachman to
Adelaide Male, 19, from St Helier, father James Male, coachman

And you'll like this one

Dec 21st 1872 St Helier
Henry Male, 22, Groom (as in horses) from St Helier, father James Male, cabman to
Susan E Sherry, 21, from St Helier, father Thomas Sherry, boot and shoe maker.

It doesn't actually say that Thomas Sherry was deceased by the time of his daughter's marriage but as her mother had married the groom's (as in bridegroom's) father 2 years earlier I think it's safe to assume that he was.

Certificates from Jersey now cost £20 each (as of this week) so unless you really really want them I'd just send me looking if you want to know anything else - I have got the references if necessary.

All the best

Pam

P.S. The M Thomas Sherry mentioned before stands from Monsieur, almost all of the early entries here are in French

Hi Pam,

You are a star!

So Mallet would be Susan's maiden name? First hubby's name - is the T the initial of first name or a title, as in Mr?

And yes please - to the other names, they are very likely matches I have to James's children by his first marriage.

Sue

Hi Sue

I had a look this morning for James' marriages.

I found the reference for his marriage to Susan, it was between Feb 1869 and Mar 1871 in St Helier. He married Susan Mallet widow of M Thomas Sherry.
!also found marriages for
Fanny Male (between 1854 and 1859)
Adelaide Male (between 1863 and 1867)
Henry Male (between 1867 and 1875)

If you want me to look at these when I'm at the Registry Office let me know.

All the best

Pam

Hi Pam,

Yes, I have Ephraim Male in my tree - and it's possible that James is his brother, making David Male their father.

Problem is I already have David Male with a son called James but I have that one married off to someone else. lol

So if it turns out Jersey James IS the son of David, then it will be another nightmare trying to work out who the other James is! lol

Catch you again later in the week.

Sue

Hello Maryjane-Sue

Your James sounds like my great great grandfather - a serial groom!

Assuming that he did actually marry wives 2 and 3 it shouldn't be any problem. I'll get the references for the marriages from the Archive and then pop down to the Registry Office to look at the actual certificates (no charge just for looking)

Did you notice that on the 1851 there is an Ephraim Male living next door but one to James? In fact if you just put Male and Jersey in several of the census searches quite a few Males from Somerset pop up.

I'll be back in touch later in the week

Pam

Hi Pam,

Many thanks for the offer of look-ups - I am hoping you will be able to help me with James Male c1814 and his later marriages.

James was born in Somerset and married a Betty Single in Chard in 1833, they had a number of children in Somerset and some time after the 1841 Census the family moved to St Helier, Jersey, where they added to the family.

Some time before the 1871 James married Susan Sherry c1818 St Helier. In the 1871 Census there is a stepdaughter Susan Sherry, so Susan senior was married before or a single mum.

James marries again before the 1881 to Elizabeth/Eliza T? Lucas c1841 St Helier, again there are stepchildren in the house, the eldest being born abt 1872.

James and Elizabth/Eliza had one child - Eliza Susan in 1876.

I am hoping his later marriages will give his father's name - if necessary I am happy to buy the certificates but have no idea how to! lol

Your help will be much appreciated.

Sue

Hi Pam
That is brilliant.
It proves my suspicions that I cannot rely on any of my contacts for this family.
I cannot thank you enough
Regards Jim

Hi Jim

OK - from the St Helier marriage records

4/12/1824 John Lambswood of Plymouth to Mary Sutcliff of St Helier.

6/5/1826 Mary Lambswood (doesn't say where from) to Peter Tostevin of Guernsey.

So definitely not Guernsey, unless they had 2 ceremonies!

The births are after formal record keeping began but this is from the indexes.

Mary Eliza Tostevin St Helier Vol 23, page 89, between 9/3/1867 and 8/5/1868. Page 89 indicates that it's near the end of the period covered so March is probably about right

James Ernest Tostevin St Helier Vol 25, page 8, between 22/7/1869 and 5/10/1870. Page 8 indicates that it's near the beginning of the period so my guess is that the IGI entry is out by a year.

Next time I'm in town, possibly tomorrow, I'll check the certificates for the mother's names.

All the best

Pam

Hi Jim

Nice to hear from you again
I'll have a look on Tues when the Archives is next open.

Pam

Hi again Pam
I wonder if you can double check some igi entries?
Margaret Mutton is credited with having 13 children but these two births are only five months apart.
MARY ELIZA TOSTEVIN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 09 MAR 1868 Saint Helier, Jersey, Channel Islands

2. JAMES ERNEST TOSTEVIN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 08 AUG 1868 Saint Helier, Jersey, Channel Islands
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And these two marriages according to some researchers happened in Guernsey.
1. JOHN LAMSWOOD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 04 DEC 1824 Saint Helier, Jersey, Channel Islands

2. MARY LAMBSWOOD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 07 MAY 1826 Saint Helier, Jersey, Channel Islands
Regards Jim

Hello Fran
Well I tried!
The trouble is that each of the 12 parishes compiles their own electoral rolls and each parish is sub-divided into different sections. Without a parish to start looking it would have been a mammoth task.
I did check through old telephone directories from 1970 to 1985 and unfortunately your couple were not listed in them.
I hate to be beaten but I'm afraid I don't really know where else to look.

Sorry

Pam

Just had another thought. You could try contacting the local paper, Jersey Evening Post, the sometimes run 'trying to find' features.