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I'm looking for a marriage in India c1860 between Thomas Baron born December 1837 in Chorlton on Medlock, Manchester, parents Thomas and Hannah, and Elizabeth Keen born in India of unknown Irish parents. Have tried BL IO records and GRO chaplains returns to no avail.

Any suggestions, apart from "give up" ??

Many thanks,
Richard.

Was Thomas Baron in the army or just a civilian?

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Thomas Baron Pedigree


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1. Thomas Henry Baron Pedigree
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Birth: 17 FEB 1867 Chr Jhansie, , West Bengal, India
Christening: 20 MAR 1867 , , India
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Thanks for the response - he may well have been in the army as it is known he went to India as a Medical Officer and I'm guessing from his age and occupation this would have been in the late 1850s possibly around the time of the Indian Mutiny when reinforcements were sent over. His first son that I can find was born 1862 hence the c1860 marriage.

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Frederick John Keen Pedigree


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Margaret Harriet Dunlap Pedigree


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1. Elizabeth Dorothy Pedigree
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Birth: 19 DEC 1884 India Office Ecclesiastical Returns-Bengal Presidency,,Misc, , , India
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Thomas Henry Baron 1867 is one of the sons of the Thomas Baron born 1837 whose marriage I seek but thanks anyway

Elizabeth Keen that I seek would have had a birth c1840 give or take a few years as her first son Alfred Clarence was born 1862 but thanks again

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HENRY KEENE Pedigree


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FRANCES Pedigree


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1. ALFRED KEENE Pedigree
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Birth: 17 APR 1855
Christening: 15 JUL 1855 Mozufferpore, , West Bengal, India
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First born Alfred Clarence had surname BARON not Keen

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Thomas Baron Pedigree


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Elizabeth Pedigree


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1. Alfred Clarence Pedigree
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Birth: 05 OCT 1862 India Office Ecclesiastical Returns-Bengal Presidency,,Misc, , , India
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Yes thanks, that's the son Alfred but it's the marriage c1860 of his parents I seek.

Have you actually been to the India Office or just looked at the searchable database on their site?.

Also if he was in the British Army rather than the Indian Army presumably he would have been an officer and there may be records for him at the National Archives which could well include information on his marriage. Not online though - you'd have to go there or get someone to go for you.

Have checked GRO Index Army Marriage India but they do not start until 1881.

http://www.fibis.org

has son Thos. Hy. jr's marriage

Presidency of Marriage BENGAL
Marriage Year 1890
Husband First Names Thos. Hy.
Husband Surname Baron
Wife First Names Lucretia Theresa
Wife Surname Pratt

but not the parents'.

Possibly a sister? --

Presidency of Marriage BENGAL
Marriage Year 1866
Husband First Names Daniel B.
Husband Surname Sheil
Wife First Names Harriett I.
Wife Surname Baron

and maybe an ancestor:

Presidency of Marriage BENGAL
Marriage Year 1787
Husband First Names Benjamin
Husband Surname Baron
Wife First Names Margaret
Wife Surname De Grance


(Edit - no, oops, I see he went out as an adult)

There is an entry in

Arrival and Departure Notices : Bengal

at FIBIS that could be of interest:

Month and Day Jan-27
Year 1856
Name of Ship Sea Horse
Title or Rank Mr.
Passenger Surname Baron

There are a few more details there about the vessel/voyage but not the passenger.

There's another with about as much detail in

Arrival and Departure Notices : Madras Almanac

Year 1857
Name of Ship Bengal
Passenger Surname Baron (Mr.)


Your people do seem to be in Bengal rather than Madras.

I've been to the British Library in London and searched their records without success.

I'd imagine he started in the British Army and his regiment was sent to India but this is pure guesswork. I have no way of knowing which regiment to look for. Does anyone know of an index of regiments sent to India c1857.

Also, does anyone know if the LDS data is fully available on familysearch or whether there is some additional info only available on their films?

Thank you for the ship's passenger lists - unfortunately, without initials, they are slightly less reliable, but nonetheless still possibilities!

Do you know where the originals might be kept - I'd like to see if any of these ships contained army personnel.

If he was an Officer, you don't need to know his regiment.

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Other links to resources presenting biographical research of 19 th Century British and Indian Army Soldiers:
"UBIQUE" - Royal Engineers and Engineers of the British Empire and Commonwealth. This site presents research with a biographical emphasis. The site examines medals, uniforms, militaria, and photographs of officers, non-commissioned officers, and men of the Royal Engineers and Engineers of the British Empire and Commonwealth.
Research on the King's Own Scottish Borderers. Gerry O'Neill is interested in the research of anything to The King's Own Scottish Borderers. He has an extensive Regimental history collection including Regimental journals (Borderers Chronicle) since its inception in 1926. If anyone is interested or requires something checked to the 25th foot or the KOSB let Gerry know and he will see what he can do. He is also interested in purchasing, exchanging medals or information. Gerry has just posted his own website.
website on the King's Own Scottish Borderers.
The Story of Charles Aris, 16th Lancers.
The Indian Order of Merit 1837-1947.

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To finding more information about the British and Indian Armies:
Scottish Military Historical Society.
Scots at War.
British Ancestors in India.
List of the Regiments and Corps of the British Army in 1800.
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General Information on Southasia.
Hard to find books on the British Raj, Campaign & Regimental Histories, and Military Biography.

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Philip Burman Military Medals : Phil is an excellent medal dealer specializing in British related Orders, Decorations and Medals.
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