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I am trying to folow this info through. It looks as though James amust have died around 1849/50.???

unfortunately unable to get this info on scottish people site.

ALSO UNABLE TO TRACE JAMES OR HIS WIFE CAHERINE RICHADSON WHO WHERE ON THE 1881 CENSUS AFTER THAT THEY ARE MISSING. bUT HIS NAME IS ON HIS DAUGHTERS WEDDING CERTFICATE IN 1894 AND IT DOES NOT SAY HE IS DECEASED. OCCUPATION STATES LABOURER. ANYONE GOT ANY IDEAS.

CHEER JEAN

Thanks for all the help.

cheers.
Jean

It was also the age difference jean 25 in 1841 and janet 40 in 1851 ???

thanks agai
jean

Name variations, I'd say -- Jane / Janet / Jean somewhat interchangeable.

Also there's the possibility of mistranscriptions. You can see the originals at ScotlandsPeople.

THANKS CAROL-SCOTLAND AND EVIE BEAVIE YES IT LOOKS LIKE IT COULD BE THEM BUT I AM CONFUSED ON WHO THE JEAN WAS AGED 25 IN 1841 AND WHERE WAS JANET THEN (MOTHER)

cANNOT THANK YOU ENOUGH FOR YOUR HELP.

CHEERS

JEAN

thank you for your quick responses.
her father was down as a labourer on the wed cert. the address on the wedding cert. 4 BOLTON STREET LIVERPOOL
cheers
Jean

Here's the only other record of a James Richardson born c1841 in Wigtown, at Ancestry -- most likely the same one:


1851:

Name: James Richardson
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relationship: Son
Mother's Name: Janet
Gender: Male
Where born: Wigtown, Wigtownshire
Parish Number: 901
Civil Parish: Wigtown
Town: Wigtown
County: Wigtownshire
Address: North Side High Street
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 3
Page: 4
Household schedule number: 16
Line: 9
Roll: CSSCT1851_217

Janet Richardson 40 - Pauper Shoe Makers Widow, born Ireland
James Richardson 12
Margaret Richardson 9
Jessie Richardson 4
John Richardson 1


The household in 1841:

John Richardson 43 - born Scotland, Shoemaker
Jean Richardson 25 - born Ireland
James Richardson 1
Margaret Richardson 2 Mo

Dang, Carol, I didn't get to use up my few remaining SP credits in the few remaining hours I have for doing it. ;)

Of the marriages, the only really applicable ones (spouses old enough, and married when children in 1881 were born) are:

1859 RICHARDSON JAMES DAVIDSON CATHERINE JOHNSTONE /RENFREW 559/03 0072

1874 RICHARDSON JAMES MCLEAN CATHERINE HIGH CHURCH GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/02 0127
(after birth of daughter Jane though)

1868 RICHARDSON JAMES WILLIAMSON CATHERINE ELDER NEWINGTON EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/05 0392


This looks like the 1881 household, in 1871 in Liverpool -- since that's where daughter Jane was born, that's where they would most likely have been then:


James Richardson 30 - born Wigtown, Scotland c1841, occupation Mariner
Catherine Richardson 35 - born Wigtown, Scotland, c1836
Jane Richardson 7 months - born Liverpool


The 1881 James was a dock labourer. Is that what your Mary's father's occupation was on her marriage certificate, Jean?


A possible marriage in Manchester that could be them:

Marriages Sep 1865
Corbett Bridget Manchester 8d 673 Scan
Greenwood James Manchester 8d 673
> Maguire Catherine Manchester 8d 673
> Richardson James Manchester 8d 673

although Maguire sounds more Irish - ?


Daughter Jane was 7 months old in 1871. She would most likely be this one (the birth registered in June Q 1870 would make that one at least 9 months old for the 1871 census):

Births Sep 1870
Richardson Jane Liverpool 8b 58

If that's the right one, it would give the mother's birth surname.


If this is the right James. ;)

NOW TRYING TO TRACE MY GRANDMOTHERS FAMILY.

her married name Mary williams, her maiden name Mary Richardson. Her fathers name James Richardson.

i think this maybe her family in 1881 census.

JAMES RICHARDSON AGE 40 BORN SCOTLAND
CATHERINE '' AGE 45 ... SCOTLAND
JANE ''' AGE 10 ... LIVERPOOL
ELIZABETH '' AGE 8 ... LIVERPOOL
MARY '' AGE 5 ... LIVERPOOL

7 COURT 5 HOUSE CLIVE STREET TOXTETH L'POOL

BUT I AM NOY ENTIRELY SURE, I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO FIND THEM ON ANY OTHER CENSUS. NOR FIND HER BIRTH REG'

CAN ANYBODY HELP.

THANKS JEAN

Having looked at original 1911 census I have diacovered that my grandparents William and Mary Williams had two other children that died.

I have just sent for williams brothers birth cert. (Hopefully its the right one.) then I will know his mothers maiden name and I can research that side of family. Wow! I would be bored without all this going on now.

But my thanks goes to all the people who have helped me on this site.

Cheers Jean

Ops...I ment married in 1894. Sorry about that. To excited about all this news you see.. Ha! Ha!.

Cheers Jean

Er. Ahem.


>>> EvieBeavie 1st January 2009 23:59 <<<

Well here's a household in 1881 who fits that William -- the census was taken in the same month as they married in 1894, so age 7 in 1881 could be slightly off from age 21 in 1894. What was the legal minimum age for marriage?


Name: William Williams
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Richard
Mother's Name: Mary
Where born: Lpool, Lancashire, England


Civil Parish: Toxteth Park
County/Island: Lancashire
Street address: 36 Combermere St

Richard Williams 38 - occupation Labourer
Mary Williams 37
Richard Williams 11
John Williams 10
Margt. Williams 9
William Williams 7
Louisa Williams 6
Mary Williams
John Williams 42
William Lee 25

"married on 15 April 1874"

That's 1894, right? The one to Mary Richardson.


--- drat, I wandered off in the middle of writing this post an hour ago, was looking at that 1881 household, then went to answer some emails, figured I'd submit and then carry on ... and there we are!

Hi Janice. first thanks agian for all the help I am getting from this site.

Yes I have taken a print off that last one, earlier tonight.

and also 1871 Census. Williams family. Richard, mary and children Richard and John living in 5 court 3 house. (But couldn't make out name of street)

Then I have 1891 Census Williams family Living in Wallasey. Richard ,Mary and children John, Louisa, Mary and a new edition Ralph. I feel that all the ages fit with former finds.

Also My grand father William Henry Williams named one of his sons Ralph (he was my mothers younger brother.

So do you think I maybe be correct with the latest info.

Cheers and thanks for the interest you have shown.

Jean

Wow...

I have so ENJOYED reading this topic.

Absolutely Awesome....xx

Lesley

This one then 1881
Name: William Williams
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Richard
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Lpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Toxteth Park
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 36 Combermere St


Name: Richard Williams
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Lpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Toxteth Park
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 36 Combermere St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:
Occupation: Labourer

Household Members: Name Age
Richard Williams 38
Mary Williams 37
Richard Williams 11
John Williams 10
Margt. Williams 9
William Williams 7
Louisa Williams 6
Mary Williams
John Williams 42 -boarder
William Lee 25 -boarder

Now trying to find out more about William and his family before his marriage.

His marr cert info: married on 15 April 1874 . age 21 years. Residence. : 4 Bolton Street . Occupation Labourer. Fathers name, Richard Williams also a Labourer.

This is my next task.

Cheers jean

Yes I have kept a print out of that one as I am now more than sure it was then. Coal dealer he could have just delivered coal. It now in file with the latest docs.
Thanks again. Jean

Well now, doesn't that household just look a lot like the one I had in 1901? --


Name: William Williams
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Where born: Liverpool
Civil Parish: Liverpool

Name: Mary Williams
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William
Where born: Liverpool

Name: Emily Williams
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1899
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Mary
Where born: Liverpool

William Williams 30 - coal dealer
Mary Williams 25
Emily Williams 2
Thomson Curry 14
Thomas Mc Donald 48


Except for the occupation. William, Mary and Emily fit pretty perfectly otherwise.

on 1911 census William is down as william williams aged 39 occupation Dock Labourer born Liverpool Lancs.
( ihave found sometimes he uses his middle name Henry and other times not) (its on my Mums wedding Cert and Emma's birth cert)
Mary Williams aged 36 born Liverpool Lancs. Married 19 years.

Cheers and thanks
Jean

And what of WILLIAM and MARY???

Ages, places of birth .. ???

Mucho congratulations to each and all!