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My WHW.s oldest son was William Richard , born in 1902.

Can you tell me what 7Court 5 House meant in the address

Hi Jean.

I think the address refers to alley sort of things off the street. "Courts", with dwellings, behind the buildings on the street proper. Just what I've gathered from seeing it.

I know you've said William Richard was born in 1902 -- but we haven't found his birth yet, have we?!

But that's what I was thinking -- the William who married Mary Richardson was the son of a Richard, and your William's first son was William Richard. It's a possible clue / matching factor.

Thanks for that info.
I have written to my cousin Mary (William Richard Williams) daughter to try to get info on her fathers date of birth. It just might lead me somewhere.

Cheers. Jean

Hi,
Dont know whether you remember (9th Dec) I recieved wrong Birth cert for Emma William you advised me to put it on freebmd .I have now managed to do that. so I hope somebody can use it.

Cheers Jean

Well at last 1911 census are on line. But I still cannot find anything to do with my Williams family. I know at some stage they lived at 41 Denmark Street . Lancs. Because my Mum lived there. But guess what, that is the only no. that dosen't show up on the street search. How annoying... Do you think my grandfather just didn't fill in the census form.????

I'm almost glad I don't need anything in the 1911 census. Imagine waiting all that time and not finding it.

Have you looked at the image for the block? Find a next-door or nearby address, and look at the image, and see whether it says anything for where 41 should be!

Hi had a quick look on 1911 .I searched Emma born 1909/10
and wonder about the one in West Derby.
So back to search page
surname Williams
residential place West Derby
other members of the household Emma

This search does come back with 200+ but you could perhaps then see if any details match yours ,perhaps putting in a different name than Emma may shorten the list ,but i have lost the plot of names /dob on the thread at the moment!

Just searched with William in 1st name /Emma still in household and narrowed it to 16 if any of those William's look like yours

Thanks for message. I now have Emma William b.cert. she lived in 81 Back Salisbury Street , Everton South, West Derby. in 1909. But that doesn't show up on 1911 census..

1911 if you put Emma Williams 1909/1910
Residential place West Derby
AND AM I RIGHT IN THINKING THERE SHOULD BE A LOUISA
put her name in the other members of the household box and you will only get 1 result!

Heh, Janice - Louisa 1903 is indeed *the* person of interest here!

Quick, Jean -- we want to know! Is it them? Gives us all the details!

Yeh! Yeh! Yeh! Hip Hip Horray!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FOUND THEM AT LONG LAST. THEY ARE ALL LIVING AT 51 DEMARK ST. AND NOW I VAGUELY RECALL THEY LIVED AT ANOTHER HOUSEIN THAT STREET, BEFORE 41. ONLY ONE DAUGHTER WAS NOT THERE, MARGARET (Maggie).
EMILY 12yrs... FLORENCE 9yrs....William 8yrs....LOUISA 7yrs...Ralph 5yrs
MARY ..3yrs. Emma...1yr.

The other two Lizzie and Christina weren't born until after 1911 they were the youngest two.

SO ITs THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU FOR HELPING ME ALL YOU WONDERFUL PEOPLE.


this will help with when each of them were born and I will try to get birth certs. then it will marraige certs for them all...........I maybe able to stwich off and sleep tonight. THANK AGAIN....WOW!!!!>

.

And what of WILLIAM and MARY???

Ages, places of birth .. ???

Mucho congratulations to each and all!

on 1911 census William is down as william williams aged 39 occupation Dock Labourer born Liverpool Lancs.
( ihave found sometimes he uses his middle name Henry and other times not) (its on my Mums wedding Cert and Emma's birth cert)
Mary Williams aged 36 born Liverpool Lancs. Married 19 years.

Cheers and thanks
Jean

Well now, doesn't that household just look a lot like the one I had in 1901? --


Name: William Williams
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Where born: Liverpool
Civil Parish: Liverpool

Name: Mary Williams
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William
Where born: Liverpool

Name: Emily Williams
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1899
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Mary
Where born: Liverpool

William Williams 30 - coal dealer
Mary Williams 25
Emily Williams 2
Thomson Curry 14
Thomas Mc Donald 48


Except for the occupation. William, Mary and Emily fit pretty perfectly otherwise.

Yes I have kept a print out of that one as I am now more than sure it was then. Coal dealer he could have just delivered coal. It now in file with the latest docs.
Thanks again. Jean

Now trying to find out more about William and his family before his marriage.

His marr cert info: married on 15 April 1874 . age 21 years. Residence. : 4 Bolton Street . Occupation Labourer. Fathers name, Richard Williams also a Labourer.

This is my next task.

Cheers jean

This one then 1881
Name: William Williams
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Richard
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Lpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Toxteth Park
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 36 Combermere St


Name: Richard Williams
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Lpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Toxteth Park
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 36 Combermere St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:
Occupation: Labourer

Household Members: Name Age
Richard Williams 38
Mary Williams 37
Richard Williams 11
John Williams 10
Margt. Williams 9
William Williams 7
Louisa Williams 6
Mary Williams
John Williams 42 -boarder
William Lee 25 -boarder

Wow...

I have so ENJOYED reading this topic.

Absolutely Awesome....xx

Lesley

Hi Janice. first thanks agian for all the help I am getting from this site.

Yes I have taken a print off that last one, earlier tonight.

and also 1871 Census. Williams family. Richard, mary and children Richard and John living in 5 court 3 house. (But couldn't make out name of street)

Then I have 1891 Census Williams family Living in Wallasey. Richard ,Mary and children John, Louisa, Mary and a new edition Ralph. I feel that all the ages fit with former finds.

Also My grand father William Henry Williams named one of his sons Ralph (he was my mothers younger brother.

So do you think I maybe be correct with the latest info.

Cheers and thanks for the interest you have shown.

Jean

"married on 15 April 1874"

That's 1894, right? The one to Mary Richardson.


--- drat, I wandered off in the middle of writing this post an hour ago, was looking at that 1881 household, then went to answer some emails, figured I'd submit and then carry on ... and there we are!