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Not Quite sure what you meant by the last message..

I have found out that William had two sisters Mary and Lizzie. also he lived in Everton at some stage. My cousin has just informed me her Mum, which is one of William and Marys daughters was born in Everton, 3rd Nov 1906, her name was Emma Williams (also Mary name may have been Richardson)

Cheers

sorry to confuse you. It was just a comment that Oldham & Preston were the 2 areas which list the mothers maiden name on the lancashirebmd site long before the GRO regs index started including it.(1912)

so it looks like the Wm / Mary Richardson marriage of 1894 might be the right one.

Thing to do seems to be to order that Williams-Richardson marriage certificate. At least that will give a father's name and occupation, and an age. At present there just isn't enough to go on to distinguish him from the other 745 William Williamses in the censuses!

Ok Thanks to all of you for your help. i have order my mothers marriage cert. and her sister Emma should have them soon. At least I will get address's and a few other details. Finger crossed again.

Will be back when I get them.

Cheers and thanks again

Jean

Just to clear it up -- we were talking about the William Williams - Mary Richardson 1894 marriage certificate, Jean. Your mum's certificate isn't going to tell us anything about who William was!

... Er, is it? I confess to getting confused ...

I just thought by getting my Mum(Louisa Williams born 1903) OK . marriage cert.dated 20 Dec 1930 would tell me where they lived at that date. Then maybe another name may show up that I could research . Just thought it might open up some other lead. Long shot I know. Will be glad when the 1911 census come out.
Thanks for helping me. What would we do without all you wonderful people.

Cheers Jean.

I now have my Mum and Dads wedding cert. And it states that her father William Henry Williams. occupation Docker their address at that date was 41 Denmark Street Waterloo Liverpool. (Mum/dad were married on the 20 Dec 1930)

Hopefully I will receive mum's sisters birth cert in the next day or so. And then I may gain other info.

Received the wrong birth certificate. So if anybody wants it these are the details:
BIRTH CERTIFICATE
born /29th OCTOBER 1909
Name / EMMA WILLIAMS
Fathers name/ FREDERICK ARTHUR WILLIAMS
Mother name/ EMILY WILLIAMS.

Just e.mail me and i will forwards it to whoever.

So ... are you going to get the William Williams - Mary Richardson 1894 marriage certificate??

*If* it's him, it will give us his father's name; at least we can circularly try to figure out whether it's him ...

But ... you have a birth cert that says he was a painter and paper hanger, and a marriage certificate (30ish years later) saying he was a docker?

Oh, Jean -- one thing you can do with that wrong birth cert is go to FreeBMD and add a postem to the entry giving the parents' names and offering the certificate.

And harkening back to where you said --

"one of Mary and Williams sons was called William Richard Williams born Sept 1902 b.West Derby."

-- would this be him?

Births Dec 1902
WILLIAMS William Richard Liverpool 8b 111


Another way of trying to confirm mother Mary's surname.

His birth was reg West Derby.

I am just waiting on a phone call from his daughter to confirm his date of birth before ordering a cert.
Thanks

Will put that cert on Free BMD I hope someone can use it.
Cheers

Hi Just been onto FreeBMD but didn't know how to enter a postem can you help me.

Well I hope you get good info re son William Richard Williams, 'cause there weren't none registered in W Derby in 1902, so he must have been reg as plain William Williams.

For postems --

Find the GRO birth entry at FreeBMD again.
Click on the red "Info" beside the page number.
A new window or tab will open ... find it, lol.
On that page, it says "You may add a postem to this entry (see below for explanation)" -- the "add a postem" is clickable.
Click and you get (after all the scolding instructions from FreeBMD) a box for typing your postem.

It only allows for a short text, so I would just put the DOB and parents' names, and offer the cert, with an email address.

(Go to www.gmail.com first and get an anonymous email address -- you might be able to get jeanziggy@gmail, or jean.ziggy, or ziggyjean, or the like. You don't want to post your "real" email address in cyberspace.)

Not as complicated as it sounds, and if we all (including me ...) did that sort of thing more often, for our own people, FreeBMD would be even more of a goldmine of info.

Sorry didn't manage to work that one out. But did try.

Hi again,

Well I now have a birth cert. for Emma Williams born 3rd Nov. 1909 at 81 Back Salisbury Street, Everton , Liverpool. / fathers name William Henry Williams, Dock Labourer/ mother name Mary Williams formerly RICHARDSON.

But dont know where to go from here. any help on this .

Regards
Jean

Yay!!! I forget who it was, but somebody was right -- Mary Richardson!

Now I forget why we wanted to know ...

Lemme think. ;)

Yes, one page back -- I said:

"Thing to do seems to be to order that Williams-Richardson marriage certificate. At least that will give a father's name and occupation, and an age. At present there just isn't enough to go on to distinguish him from the other 745 William Williamses in the censuses!"

Now that you know that's the marriage, you need the certificate. Sigh, it never ends. ;)

Let me check the reference ...