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Hi everyone,

Firstly thanks to PaulaW - Yes did have a look on the Nazareth site - not in great detail, but at least I know where to find the info. Many thanks again.

Dea/Richard,

My Oh My!! - You're both too good for me! and way ahead!

I've had to print out the info, and at first glance to me, it's reading that a John McGlen married an Annie Durkin in 1881 - Is that the JMc that is father to my grandmother Margaret Philomena? I'm getting a bit confused, as she also married a Durkin - my grandfather James. I'm sorry if I seem a bit blank about it all but
the fact that the Durkin name has come up within the McGlenn/n's
family is making my little pea brain work overtime.!!!

Although I said I have info on the DURKINS it is only about my grandparents' children, and the names of grandfather's parents, As yet I haven't gone any further with that as i thought I would first find out my grandmother's maiden name and family, because I thought her name would be easier to follow rather than the Durkins.

I hope what I've written makes sense to you.

Pat

Afternoon dea.
The plot thickens, Now that ancestry is back working again i have been able to veiw the images.
I see neither john,s were masons.

The only death i have found for a john prior to margarets marriage is of john in sunderland who died in 1906.

The fact that margaret was a worsted spinner in bradford is a plus point, but i suspect in that area at the time the cotton industry was a large employer.

The durkin link is a interesting one and we could do with pats opinion on that.

I will take one more look for any mistranscribed cencus,s.

I will also send pat another message to get her opinion on the possible durkin connection.

richard.

Nudge for Richard's help and opinion please.

Dea x

I think this will be John on 1881?

John Mc Glyn
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Catherine
Gender: Male
Where born: Hartlepool, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Bradford
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address: 40 Greenaire Pl
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Bricklayers Lab

Registration district: Bradford
Sub registration district: Bradford, West End
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Catherine Jennings boarder
Margaret Jennings 21 boarder
Thomas Jennings 4 boarder

Anne Mc Glyn 23 b Hartlepool
Catherine Mc Glyn 48 wid b Ireland
>>>John Mc Glyn 19 b Hartlepool bricklayers Labr.

Bridget Ross 25 boarder
Mary A. Ross 6 boarder



Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4454; Folio: 20; Page: 34; Line: ; GSU roll: 1342065.

Dea x

Now, This looks like the Annie Durkin who married John McGlen a few months after the census:

You say you have lots of info on the Durkin family - do you have her mentioned?

1881:

Ann Durkin
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Bridget
Gender: Female
Where born: Bolton, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Horton In Bradford
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address: 56 Duncan St
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Worsted Weaver

Registration district: Bradford
Sub registration district: Horton
ED, institution, or vessel: 48
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Durkin 20 b Bolton, Lancs
Bridget Durkin 40 wid b Ireland
Margaret Durkin 16 b Yorks, Leeds
Mary E. Durkin 13 b Yorks, Bradford
James Gillfoyle 21 lodger.



Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4460; Folio: 132; Page: 17; Line: ; GSU roll: 1342067.

Dea x

This is the Bradford one on 1891:

John Mc Glen
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Annie
Gender: Male
Where born: Tumdon, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Stranton
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints Church
Town: West Hartlepool
County/Island: Durham
Country: England



Registration district: Hartlepool
Sub registration district: Hartlepool
ED, institution, or vessel: 48
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Annie Mc Glen 30
Bridget Mc Glen 8
John Mc Glen 30
Margaret Ann Mc Glen 2
Mary Ellen Mc Glen 9
Winifred Mc Glen 5


Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4065; Folio 108; Page 57; GSU roll: 6099175.

PLUS - I looked for a possible marriage for John + Annie 1880-1891 and LOOK WHAT I FOUND !!:

Marriages Jun 1881

***Durkin Annie Bradford 9b 259
McCONNELL Robert Mark Bradford, Y. 9b 259
***McGlen John Bradford,Y. 9b 259
SMITH Harriet Bradford, Y. 9b 259

More exploring to do here I think..........

Dea x

Had a look at the John in Bradford on 1901.

He was a Gereral Labourer born in Trimdon, Durham,
living at 45 Hannah Gate, Bradford.

Margaret was a worsted spinner.

Dea x

Good morning Pat,

I have just opened your pm and was about to cut + paste the info onto here then saw that you had realised this and already added it.

I don't think either of these John's was ever a Mason but will have another search through when I have 'properly' woken up.

Dea x

Hi

Did you check the link I sent you for Nazareth House.

Unfortunately pat at the moment i can not look at the images to look at the address and occupation of john in bradford in 1901.
If i remember correctly the john in 1891 living in sunderland was a labourer.

richard.

Hi

First thank you to everyone who has replied with info. I realise I should have replied via the community board not necessarily to you Dea direct - apologies. So here is the same info that I sent direct to Dea:-

Here goes with what i know at present - details on marriage certificate.

Date 25/10/1911

James Durkin 23 yrs batchelor, Wool Comber - 48 Sedgewick Street Bradford - His father also James (Deceased) was a Mason.

Margaret McGlenn 23 yrs spinster, Worsted Spinner - 147 Gracechurch Street, Bradford - Her father John (Deceased) he was also a Mason.

Married at St Patricks Church Westgate Bradford (Catholic)
Witnesses - A. Durkin & ?? Mullarkey (James's Mother's maiden name was Mullarkey) so obviously somone from the family.

Everything I know about my grandmother relates to Bradford. It was only the fact that a cousin thought they remembered the North East area mentioned and that she had been brought up in a convent (all new to me).

Her death certificate states Margaret Philomena (Philomena I'm sure was only a Confirmation Name). She was always called this within the family as a joke - good catholic name!! Her occupation was listed as Worsted Spinner (retired)and widow of James Durkin (all ties in with what I know) Her place of birth was stated as Yorkshire (no prob with that) but her year of birth was 1893 25th December. Can confirm that 25th December was the date expected and remembered by the family, but the year threw me as I had been looking for earlier yearsand also like others just came across the Sunderland McGlenns. As as child I do not remember hearing that she had a middle name, other than Philomena

Hope this is more helpful.

Pat

Would you believe - the Bradford one's father John was also married to an Ann(e) and in 1891 they lived in Durham where he was born?? - Also a Labourer but in the Shipyard!

I wish Pat would come back and tell us what she knows!!

Dea x

just thought i would add this for 1881, same address as 1891.

Name: John Mc Glenn
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Sunderland
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address: 9 Mauds Lane
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Bricklayers Laborer

Registration district: Sunderland
Sub registration district: West Sunderland
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Mc Glenn 30 sunderland
Jane Mc Glenn 4
John Mc Glenn 36
Lawrence Mc Glenn 2
Mary A. Mc Glenn 8

richard.

Thanks Richard - the pm was a good idea as we don't really know which one she wants - we know which one is the Convent one and we know which one is the Bradford one but she seems to have linked the two?

I believe the marriage took place in Bradford?

Marriages Dec 1911 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

***Durkin James Bradford 9b 368
Manogue Terence Bradford 9b 368
***McGlenn Margaret Bradford 9b 368
Waldron Ellen Bradford 9b 368

The plot thickens...

Dea x

Could this be margarets sibling in what seems to be another convent in 1901.

Name: Elizabeth McGlen
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Female
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Darlington
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Darlington
Sub registration district: Darlington
ED, institution, or vessel: St Josephs Home

I have sent pat a message to try and get some answers.

richard.

Hi I noticed above on the 1901 census someone has posted Nazareth House I have googled this and put a link for you this was a convent. When you get to the page you will need to scroll down and it will give you quite a bit of information about the history etc.

http://www.lentontimes.co.uk/back_i_21_30.htm#Issue%20No.%2025

Noow - we have to be VERY careful here as we seem to have 2 Margaret Ann(e) McGlen(n)'s born around the same time, both with father John.

BUT one in Bradford and one in Sunderland.

You seemed to mention both regions in your first post, although presuming Bradford?

We need to have ALL the details from that marriage cert please - fathers, ages, occupations, addresses, witnesses etc - everything you know so we can see which one connects.

Dea x

Her birth?

Births Jun 1888

McGLEN Margaret Ann Bradford, Y. 9b 170


Dea x

1891?

Name: Margaret A McGlenn
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Sunderland
Ecclesiastical parish: Sunderland
Town: Sunderland
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address:9 mauds lane

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Sunderland
Sub registration district: Sunderland
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth McGlenn 5
Jane McGlenn 15
John McGlenn 47
Laurence McGlenn 7
Margaret A McGlenn 2

All born sunderland.

1901

Name: Margaret McGlen
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Inmates (Inmate)
Gender: Female
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Middlesbrough
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas
Town: Middlesbrough
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Middlesbrough
Sub registration district: Middlesbrough
ED, institution, or vessel: Nazareth House