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Brick Walls help on the Census Records***Michelle*

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***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 30 Dec 2008 16:21

Christine

1901 Continued...

1901 England Census
about James Toms
Name: James Toms
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Plymouth, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Plymouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Plymouth
Sub registration district: Charles
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 219
Household Members: Name Age
William Toms 50
Ellen Toms 39
Ellen Toms 18
John Toms 16
William Toms 11
James Toms 9
Kate Toms 6
Bessie Toms 4
Alfred Toms 5 months

1901 England Census
about Kate Toms
Name: Kate Toms
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Ellen
Gender: Female
Where born: Plymouth, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Plymouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Plymouth
Sub registration district: Charles
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 219
Household Members: Name Age
William Toms 50
Ellen Toms 39
Ellen Toms 18
John Toms 16
William Toms 11
James Toms 9
Kate Toms 6
Bessie Toms 4
Alfred Toms 5 months

1901 England Census
about Bessie Toms
Name: Bessie Toms
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Ellen
Gender: Female
Where born: Plymouth, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Plymouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Plymouth
Sub registration district: Charles
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 219
Household Members: Name Age
William Toms 50
Ellen Toms 39
Ellen Toms 18
John Toms 16
William Toms 11
James Toms 9
Kate Toms 6
Bessie Toms 4
Alfred Toms 5 months

1901 England Census
about Alfred Toms
Name: Alfred Toms
Age: 5 months
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Plymouth, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Plymouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Plymouth
Sub registration district: Charles
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 219
Household Members: Name Age
William Toms 50
Ellen Toms 39
Ellen Toms 18
John Toms 16
William Toms 11
James Toms 9
Kate Toms 6
Bessie Toms 4
Alfred Toms 5 months

William Toms General Labourer
Ellen daughter a Blue Ink Factory Worker Hand
John a Coal Labourer

Address 28 St Johns Road

Hope info helps you.











***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 30 Dec 2008 16:15

Christine

Hi and Happy New Year to you!Here is the 1901 you requested

1901 England Census
about William Toms
Name: William Toms
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Plymouth, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Plymouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Plymouth
Sub registration district: Charles
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 219
Household Members: Name Age
William Toms 50
Ellen Toms 39
Ellen Toms 18
John Toms 16
William Toms 11
James Toms 9
Kate Toms 6
Bessie Toms 4
Alfred Toms 5 months

1901 England Census
about Ellen Toms
Name: Ellen Toms
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland

Civil Parish: Plymouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Plymouth
Sub registration district: Charles
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 219
Household Members: Name Age
William Toms 50
Ellen Toms 39
Ellen Toms 18
John Toms 16
William Toms 11
James Toms 9
Kate Toms 6
Bessie Toms 4
Alfred Toms 5 months

1901 England Census
about Ellen Toms
Name: Ellen Toms
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Ellen
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland

Civil Parish: Plymouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Plymouth
Sub registration district: Charles
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 219
Household Members: Name Age
William Toms 50
Ellen Toms 39
Ellen Toms 18
John Toms 16
William Toms 11
James Toms 9
Kate Toms 6
Bessie Toms 4
Alfred Toms 5 months

1901 England Census
about John Toms
Name: John Toms
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Plymouth, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Plymouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Plymouth
Sub registration district: Charles
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 219
Household Members: Name Age
William Toms 50
Ellen Toms 39
Ellen Toms 18
John Toms 16
William Toms 11
James Toms 9
Kate Toms 6
Bessie Toms 4
Alfred Toms 5 months

1901 England Census
about William Toms
Name: William Toms
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Plymouth, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Plymouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Plymouth
Sub registration district: Charles
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 219
Household Members: Name Age
William Toms 50
Ellen Toms 39
Ellen Toms 18
John Toms 16
William Toms 11
James Toms 9
Kate Toms 6
Bessie Toms 4
Alfred Toms 5 months

Continue....














Kayak

Kayak Report 30 Dec 2008 15:23

Hi Michelle,
Please would it be possible to look up the 1901 census details for me, for an Alfred Toms born c1900, Devon and his family. There are 2 Alfred's born c1900 but the one I'm interested in is, I believe, the one on the 219 Household Schedule Number.
Thanks,
Christine

Dawn

Dawn Report 30 Dec 2008 13:49

Hi Michelle

Thanks for the info will send for cert to confirm which one is the right one. I know the area and both places are fairly close to each other too which doesn't help. Thanks again and will see what I come up with when the cert arrives.

Dawn

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 30 Dec 2008 12:08

Dawn

Hi there 1st here looks like the marriage of the couple

John Garlick 1898 Chapel En Le Frith Derbyshire
View Record

Alice Parker 1898 Chapel En Le Frith Derbyshire

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about John Garlick
Name: John Garlick
Year of Registration: 1898
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Chapel En Le Frith
County: Derbyshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 1609 (click to see others on page)

I do think to be safe here you should obtain this cert.Reason why is there are 2 John Garlick's born around same time and same area and to ensure you get the correct 1 cert will be needed.Looking back at the 1881 there are 2 possibles

1881 England Census
about John Garlick
Name: John Garlick
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Peak Forest, Derbyshire, England

Civil Parish: Chapel En Le Frith
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street address: Sparrow Pitt
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Scholour

Registration district: Chapel En Le Frith
Sub registration district: Chapel en le Frith
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Garlick 34
Mary Garlick 31
George Garlick 11
John Garlick 8
Thomas Garlick 6
Ann Elizabeth Garlick 5
Hannah Garlick 4
Samuel Garlick 1

and this 1

1881 England Census
about John Garlick
Name: John Garlick
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Dove Holes, Derbyshire, England

Civil Parish: Chapel En Le Frith
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street address: Dove Holes
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Chapel En Le Frith
Sub registration district: Chapel en le Frith
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Garlick 42
Elizabeth Garlick 42
George Garlick 18
Thomas Garlick 17
Annie Elizth. Garlick 14
William Garlick 12
John Garlick 10
Fred Garlick 7

Although on the 1891 the John with parents John and Mary again looks a poss as there is a younger brother Ernest.

1891 England Census
about John Garlick
Name: John Garlick
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Wormhill, Derbyshire, England

Civil Parish: Chapel En Le Frith
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Bowden Edge
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Chapel En Le Frith
Sub registration district: Chapel en le Frith
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Garlick 49
Mary Garlick 45
George Garlick 21
John Garlick 18
Thomas E Garlick 16
Ann E Garlick 15
Hannah Garlick 13
Samuel G Garlick 11
Alfred H Garlick 9
Martha F Garlick 5
Ernest Garlick 2


and just to confuse matters this family show on the 1891 in the same area

1891 England Census
about John Garlick
Name: John Garlick
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Harriet
Gender: Male
Where born: Wormhill, Derbyshire, England

Civil Parish: Wormhill
Ecclesiastical parish: St Margaret
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Chapel En Le Frith
Sub registration district: Chapel en le Frith
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Garlick 58
Harriet Garlick 56
Jonathan Garlick 24
John Garlick 20
Peter Garlick 16
Jacob Garlick 14
Edith Garlick 4

So you can see a confusing lot!And to be accurate cert will be needed-sorry.
















***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 30 Dec 2008 11:35

Julia

Could you give me details from the marriage cert please?I would like John's age on cert of marriage,any witness names on the cert also.
Also do you know if the family stayed in Essex?Were any further children born elsewhere?Did see a John Willie Taylor born 1902 in Orsett,Essex.Reason i ask for is i have access to 1911 and it runs out today and Essex and a few other counties are not on the Beta version of the 1911.

Thanks Julia.

Michelle

Dawn

Dawn Report 30 Dec 2008 11:17

Hi Michelle

Wondered if you could see if you could find my Great Grandad for me on 1891 census?

JOHN GARLICK born 1872 Peak Dale, Derbyshire

Have found him on 1901 age 29 and living at Eaves Knowl, New Mills, Derbyshire with son Ernest and wife Alice.

Thanks

Dawn

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 30 Dec 2008 10:53

Julia

I have found the 1901 you mentioned but on the site i use the family are not living with her parents.John Willie is listed as Head of house and their is also the daughter you mentioned.

1901 England Census
about John W Tyler
Name: John W Tyler
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Rosa L
Gender: Male
Where born: Bradford, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Grays Thurrock
Ecclesiastical parish: Grays Thurrock St Peter and St Paul
Town: Grays Thurrock
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Orsett
Sub registration district: Grays
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 130
Household Members: Name Age
John W Tyler 30
Rosa L Tyler 24
Carolina E Tyler 8 months

I will take a look and see what i can find.


***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 30 Dec 2008 10:51

Phillip

No luck as yet but i haven't had alot of free time to look.I will look again today.

Michelle

Julia

Julia Report 29 Dec 2008 22:07

Hi Michelle,

If you have a chance could you please look for my elusive ancestor!!....before i go completly bonkers!! I have very little info tho.His name as it appears on his marriage certificate and also on his childrens baptism records is : John Willie Taylor.
I have him on the 1901 census,living with his wife Rosa L but they are under the surname of Tyler but it is them as they are living with Rosa`s parents as well as their own daughter Caroline Emily,in Grays Essex.The census states that he was born in Bradford Yorks.His marriage certificate states that his father was William Taylor who was deceased at the time of marriage which was 1899 and both John and his father William were general labourers.I do not know John`s mothers name or if he had any siblings.I have ordered some birth certificates for John W Taylors in Yorkshire but none so far have come back with his father being called William.John left my g.g grandma sometime between 1909-1914 so i am waiting for the next census to see what it reveals.This is the only side of my family that i have been unable to trace:( I am seriously considering paying for proffesional help. My aunt tells me that her mum told her that her dad had something to do with the cotton mills which through research i have discovered Bradford was a thriving city with the famous Lister Mills.I would assume that if what i have been told is "true" then he would only have worked in them?
If you are able to offer any suggestions then they would be gratefully received.
Regards Julia.

Phillip

Phillip Report 28 Dec 2008 11:19

Hi Michelle

I hope you could help with the following. I'd like to track down the UK location / relations of John Robson, whose family ended up in Rio, Knox, Ohio in the 1850's.

I know that his family left in two parties the latter leaving- in 1850, ending up in Ohio, but I have been unable to find their family link in the UK. The parents John Robson m Mary Brown ? of Whittington/Whittingham - (both spellings used in the US history pages, are not a lot of help, but William is beleived born Newcastle.) and I beleive they travelled in the summer of 1850 to New York with rest of family. so 1851 Census no help.

To confuse matters, myy main tree stems from one other John Robson, Great Whittington, who is also married to a Mary and was at Todridge Farm, Whittington 1841/51/61 Census. ( I know this is a different John, but may in some way be related to the US group )

children of John and Mary - all born Northumberland, but who married in the US are
John b. 5 March 1827
William b. 5 Sept 1831
Robert b.24 Oct 1834
James 8 March 1839
Henry Stewart.b. 1825

How's that for a challenge ?

Please shout if you need any more information

regards, Phil

Jane

Jane Report 27 Dec 2008 20:22

Thankyou so much Michelle for all the census info on my gt grandmother,Fanny Jane Suckling & her family. Yes Alfred was a vicar ,& I believe he died on the island of Jersey. It was interesting to see the servants who were employed.
Jane

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 27 Dec 2008 18:10

Jane

Here is the 1851 of the parents of Fanny and Margaret that i said i would find.

1851 England Census
about Alfred Suckling
Name: Alfred Suckling
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1795
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Lucy
Gender: Male
Where born: Norwich, Norfolk, England

Civil Parish: Barsham
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Wangford
Sub registration district: Bungay
ED, institution, or vessel: 3a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 28
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Suckling 56
Lucy Suckling 57
Cranfield Suckling 17
Ann Leggett 41
Isabella Leggett 13

1851 England Census
about Lucy Suckling
Name: Lucy Suckling
Age: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1794
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Alfred
Gender: Female
Where born: Bergh Apton, Norfolk, England

Civil Parish: Barsham
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Wangford
Sub registration district: Bungay
ED, institution, or vessel: 3a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 28
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Suckling 56
Lucy Suckling 57
Cranfield Suckling 17
Ann Leggett 41
Isabella Leggett 13

1851 England Census
about Cranfield Suckling
Name: Cranfield Suckling
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Alfred
Mother's Name: Lucy
Gender: Female
Where born: Margaretting, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Barsham
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Wangford
Sub registration district: Bungay
ED, institution, or vessel: 3a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 28
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Suckling 56
Lucy Suckling 57
Cranfield Suckling 17
Ann Leggett 41
Isabella Leggett 13

1851 England Census
about Ann Leggett
Name: Ann Leggett
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1810
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Kenninghall, Norfolk, England

Civil Parish: Barsham
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Wangford
Sub registration district: Bungay
ED, institution, or vessel: 3a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 28
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Suckling 56
Lucy Suckling 57
Cranfield Suckling 17
Ann Leggett 41
Isabella Leggett 13

1851 England Census
about Isabella Leggett
Name: Isabella Leggett
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Kenninghall, Norfolk, England

Civil Parish: Barsham
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Wangford
Sub registration district: Bungay
ED, institution, or vessel: 3a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 28
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Suckling 56
Lucy Suckling 57
Cranfield Suckling 17
Ann Leggett 41
Isabella Leggett 13

Alfred a Rector
Cranfield is i presume Elizabeth from the 1841??

No address listed














***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 27 Dec 2008 18:02

Jane

1851 Continued....

1851 England Census
about Jane Johns
Name: Jane Johns
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Newford, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Manuden
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Bishop Stortford
Sub registration district: Sawbridgeworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 58
Household Members: Name Age
St Jnolbells Thorpe 35
Margaret Ann Thorpe 25
Charlotte Wells Thorpe 4
St Jno Wells Thorpe 10
Bridget Wells Thorpe 8
Ellen Well Thorpe 4
N S W Thorpe 9 Mo
Fanny Jan Suckling 18
Ellen Chalmers Hutchins 25
Jane Johns 26
Rebecca Johns 20

1851 England Census
about Ellen Chalmers Hutchins
Name: Ellen Chalmers Hutchins
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Governess
Gender: Female
Where born: McHelka, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Manuden
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Bishop Stortford
Sub registration district: Sawbridgeworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 58
Household Members: Name Age
St Jnolbells Thorpe 35
Margaret Ann Thorpe 25
Charlotte Wells Thorpe 4
St Jno Wells Thorpe 10
Bridget Wells Thorpe 8
Ellen Well Thorpe 4
N S W Thorpe 9 Mo
Fanny Jan Suckling 18
Ellen Chalmers Hutchins 25
Jane Johns 26
Rebecca Johns 20

1851 England Census
about Rebecca Johns
Name: Rebecca Johns
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Newford, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Manuden
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Bishop Stortford
Sub registration district: Sawbridgeworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 58
Household Members: Name Age
St Jnolbells Thorpe 35
Margaret Ann Thorpe 25
Charlotte Wells Thorpe 4
St Jno Wells Thorpe 10
Bridget Wells Thorpe 8
Ellen Well Thorpe 4
N S W Thorpe 9 Mo
Fanny Jan Suckling 18
Ellen Chalmers Hutchins 25
Jane Johns 26
Rebecca Johns 20

Saint John Vicar of Manuden
Fanny listed as a Visitor
Ellen a Governess
Jane and Rebecca were Servants

Address Vicarage

I am going to look for the parents of Margaret and Fanny on the 1851 so you can see their birthplaces and also so i can check the occupations as the 1841 was so poor quality writing.













***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 27 Dec 2008 17:57

Jane

1851 Continued...

1851 England Census
about Bridget Wells Thorpe
Name: Bridget Wells Thorpe
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: St Jnolbells
Mother's Name: Margaret Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Blackrod, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Manuden
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Bishop Stortford
Sub registration district: Sawbridgeworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 58
Household Members: Name Age
St Jnolbells Thorpe 35
Margaret Ann Thorpe 25
Charlotte Wells Thorpe 4
St Jno Wells Thorpe 10
Bridget Wells Thorpe 8
Ellen Well Thorpe 4
N S W Thorpe 9 Mo
Fanny Jan Suckling 18
Ellen Chalmers Hutchins 25
Jane Johns 26
Rebecca Johns 20

1851 England Census
about Charlotte Wells Thorpe
Name: Charlotte Wells Thorpe
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: St Jnolbells
Mother's Name: Margaret Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Cambridge, Cambridgeshire, England

Civil Parish: Manuden
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Bishop Stortford
Sub registration district: Sawbridgeworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 58
Household Members: Name Age
St Jnolbells Thorpe 35
Margaret Ann Thorpe 25
Charlotte Wells Thorpe 4
St Jno Wells Thorpe 10
Bridget Wells Thorpe 8
Ellen Well Thorpe 4
N S W Thorpe 9 Mo
Fanny Jan Suckling 18
Ellen Chalmers Hutchins 25
Jane Johns 26
Rebecca Johns 20

1851 England Census
about Ellen Well Thorpe
Name: Ellen Well Thorpe
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: St Jnolbells
Mother's Name: Margaret Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Manuden, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Manuden
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Bishop Stortford
Sub registration district: Sawbridgeworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 58
Household Members: Name Age
St Jnolbells Thorpe 35
Margaret Ann Thorpe 25
Charlotte Wells Thorpe 4
St Jno Wells Thorpe 10
Bridget Wells Thorpe 8
Ellen Well Thorpe 4
N S W Thorpe 9 Mo
Fanny Jan Suckling 18
Ellen Chalmers Hutchins 25
Jane Johns 26
Rebecca Johns 20

1851 England Census
about N S W Thorpe
Name: N S W Thorpe
Age: 9 Mo
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Son
Father's Name: St Jnolbells
Mother's Name: Margaret Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Manuden, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Manuden
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Bishop Stortford
Sub registration district: Sawbridgeworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 58
Household Members: Name Age
St Jnolbells Thorpe 35
Margaret Ann Thorpe 25
Charlotte Wells Thorpe 4
St Jno Wells Thorpe 10
Bridget Wells Thorpe 8
Ellen Well Thorpe 4
N S W Thorpe 9 Mo
Fanny Jan Suckling 18
Ellen Chalmers Hutchins 25
Jane Johns 26
Rebecca Johns 20

1851 England Census
about Fanny Jan Suckling
Name: Fanny Jan Suckling
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Sister
Gender: Female
Where born: Linen Oaks, Kent, England

Civil Parish: Manuden
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Bishop Stortford
Sub registration district: Sawbridgeworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 58
Household Members: Name Age
St Jnolbells Thorpe 35
Margaret Ann Thorpe 25
Charlotte Wells Thorpe 4
St Jno Wells Thorpe 10
Bridget Wells Thorpe 8
Ellen Well Thorpe 4
N S W Thorpe 9 Mo
Fanny Jan Suckling 18
Ellen Chalmers Hutchins 25
Jane Johns 26
Rebecca Johns 20

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***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 27 Dec 2008 17:53

Jane

1841 Continued....

1841 England Census
about Elizabeth Suckling
Name: Elizabeth Suckling
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Gender: Female

Civil Parish: Barsham
Hundred: Wangford
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Wangford
Sub registration district: Beccles
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Suckling 45
Lucy Suckling 45
Rosa Suckling 15
Charles Suckling 16
Fanny Suckling 8
Margaret Suckling 15
Elizabeth Suckling 7

Writing is really bad on this census.Alfred could be in religious work?can read the word holy as occupation and the address is The Rectory.
None of the family were born in this county.


Now to the 1851 Where i found Fanny with her sister Margaret who is now married.

Here is her sisters marriage

Margaret Anne Suckling 1849 Bishops Stortford Essex, Hertfordshire
View Record

Saint John Wells Thorpe 1849 Bishops Stortford Essex, Hertfordshire

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about Margaret Anne Suckling
Name: Margaret Anne Suckling
Year of Registration: 1849
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Bishops Stortford
County: Essex, Hertfordshire
Volume: 6
Page: 953 (click to see others on page)

Here is the 1851 with Fanny living with her Sister

1851 England Census
about St Jnolbells Thorpe
Name: St Jnolbells Thorpe
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Thoresthorpe, Lincolnshire, England

Civil Parish: Manuden
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Bishop Stortford
Sub registration district: Sawbridgeworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 58
Household Members: Name Age
St Jnolbells Thorpe 35
Margaret Ann Thorpe 25
Charlotte Wells Thorpe 4
St Jno Wells Thorpe 10
Bridget Wells Thorpe 8
Ellen Well Thorpe 4
N S W Thorpe 9 Mo
Fanny Jan Suckling 18
Ellen Chalmers Hutchins 25
Jane Johns 26
Rebecca Johns 20

1851 England Census
about Margaret Ann Thorpe
Name: Margaret Ann Thorpe
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: St Jnolbells
Gender: Female
Where born: Woodbor Hill, Norfolk, England

Civil Parish: Manuden
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Bishop Stortford
Sub registration district: Sawbridgeworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 58
Household Members: Name Age
St Jnolbells Thorpe 35
Margaret Ann Thorpe 25
Charlotte Wells Thorpe 4
St Jno Wells Thorpe 10
Bridget Wells Thorpe 8
Ellen Well Thorpe 4
N S W Thorpe 9 Mo
Fanny Jan Suckling 18
Ellen Chalmers Hutchins 25
Jane Johns 26
Rebecca Johns 20

1851 England Census
about St Jno Wells Thorpe
Name: St Jno Wells Thorpe
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Son
Father's Name: St Jnolbells
Mother's Name: Margaret Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Cambridge, Cambridgeshire, England

Civil Parish: Manuden
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Bishop Stortford
Sub registration district: Sawbridgeworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 58
Household Members: Name Age
St Jnolbells Thorpe 35
Margaret Ann Thorpe 25
Charlotte Wells Thorpe 4
St Jno Wells Thorpe 10
Bridget Wells Thorpe 8
Ellen Well Thorpe 4
N S W Thorpe 9 Mo
Fanny Jan Suckling 18
Ellen Chalmers Hutchins 25
Jane Johns 26
Rebecca Johns 20

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***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 27 Dec 2008 17:42

Jane

This is what i have found

IGI Individual Record FamilySearchâ„¢ International Genealogical Index v5.0
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Fanny Jane Suckling Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 01 MAY 1833 Sevenoaks, Kent, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: Alfred Suckling Family
Mother: Lucy


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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C019154

1841

1841 England Census
about Alfred Suckling
Name: Alfred Suckling
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Gender: Male

Civil Parish: Barsham
Hundred: Wangford
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Wangford
Sub registration district: Beccles
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Suckling 45
Lucy Suckling 45
Rosa Suckling 15
Charles Suckling 16
Fanny Suckling 8
Margaret Suckling 15
Elizabeth Suckling 7

1841 England Census
about Lucy Suckling
Name: Lucy Suckling
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Gender: Female

Civil Parish: Barsham
Hundred: Wangford
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Wangford
Sub registration district: Beccles
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Suckling 45
Lucy Suckling 45
Rosa Suckling 15
Charles Suckling 16
Fanny Suckling 8
Margaret Suckling 15
Elizabeth Suckling 7

1841 England Census
about Rosa Suckling
Name: Rosa Suckling
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Female

Civil Parish: Barsham
Hundred: Wangford
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Wangford
Sub registration district: Beccles
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Suckling 45
Lucy Suckling 45
Rosa Suckling 15
Charles Suckling 16
Fanny Suckling 8
Margaret Suckling 15
Elizabeth Suckling 7

1841 England Census
about Charles Suckling
Name: Charles Suckling
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Gender: Male

Civil Parish: Barsham
Hundred: Wangford
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Wangford
Sub registration district: Beccles
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Suckling 45
Lucy Suckling 45
Rosa Suckling 15
Charles Suckling 16
Fanny Suckling 8
Margaret Suckling 15
Elizabeth Suckling 7

1841 England Census
about Margaret Suckling
Name: Margaret Suckling
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Female

Civil Parish: Barsham
Hundred: Wangford
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Wangford
Sub registration district: Beccles
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Suckling 45
Lucy Suckling 45
Rosa Suckling 15
Charles Suckling 16
Fanny Suckling 8
Margaret Suckling 15
Elizabeth Suckling 7

1841 England Census
about Fanny Suckling
Name: Fanny Suckling
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Gender: Female

Civil Parish: Barsham
Hundred: Wangford
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Wangford
Sub registration district: Beccles
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Suckling 45
Lucy Suckling 45
Rosa Suckling 15
Charles Suckling 16
Fanny Suckling 8
Margaret Suckling 15
Elizabeth Suckling 7

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Jane

Jane Report 27 Dec 2008 13:32

Hi Michelle,
Please can you look on the 1841 /1851 census for Fanny Jane Suckling, b 1832 Sevenoaks,Kent.( family listing if possible.)
She married William Joseph Baron in 1858
Jane

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 27 Dec 2008 11:21

Eve

Sorry but for this period in time i do not have Irish records.Have you tried Inis on the Records Office Board?They have access to Irish records and maybe able to advise or help you.
Hope you had a great Xmas and Happy New Year to you.

***Michelle***

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 27 Dec 2008 11:13

Derek

1891

1891 England Census
about John Ware
Name: John Ware
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Milton Abbas, Dorset, England

Civil Parish: North Bradley
Ecclesiastical parish: North Bradley
Town: North Bradley
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Westbury
Sub registration district: Bradley
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Ware 48
Mary Ann Ware 47

1891 England Census
about Mary Ann Ware
Name: Mary Ann Ware
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Tolpuddle, Dorset, England

Civil Parish: North Bradley
Ecclesiastical parish: North Bradley
Town: North Bradley
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Westbury
Sub registration district: Bradley
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Ware 48
Mary Ann Ware 47

John a Railway Signalman

Address Church Lane


1901

1901 England Census
about John Ware
Name: John Ware
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary A
Gender: Male
Where born: Milton Abbas, Dorset, England

Civil Parish: Portisham
Ecclesiastical parish: Portisham St Peter
Town: Portisham
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Weymouth
Sub registration district: Abbotsbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 65
Household Members: Name Age
John Ware 58
Mary A Ware 56
Martha Way 60

1901 England Census
about Mary A Ware
Name: Mary A Ware
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Tolpuddle, Dorset, England

Civil Parish: Portisham
Ecclesiastical parish: Portisham St Peter
Town: Portisham
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Weymouth
Sub registration district: Abbotsbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 65
Household Members: Name Age
John Ware 58
Mary A Ware 56
Martha Way 60

1901 England Census
about Martha Way
Name: Martha Way
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Sister-in-law
Gender: Female
Where born: Tolpuddle, Dorset, England

Civil Parish: Portisham
Ecclesiastical parish: Portisham St Peter
Town: Portisham
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Weymouth
Sub registration district: Abbotsbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 65
Household Members: Name Age
John Ware 58
Mary A Ware 56
Martha Way 60

Well this looks conclusive this is the right family as we have Martha Way sister in law of John staying with the family on the 1901.

John a Station Master
Martha single and living by own means

Address 4 Victoria Terrrace