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Scott

Joyce birth was actually registered in 1931 in Q2-Apr-May-June it was registered in West Ham.

Joyce P Wright mother's maiden name Moate Vol 4a Page Number 44

Scott

The birth record of the poss Charlotte F Bew

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Charlotte Florence Bew
Name: Charlotte Florence Bew
Year of Registration: 1883
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: West Ham
County: Essex, Greater London
Volume: 4a
Page: 11 (click to see others on page)

Once you have the marriage cert and father is a match-cross fingers i will be happy to take this family back further for you

I will try and see what i can find on the other side of the family now.

Scott

Ok i will not see the parents of Florence on the 1901 married cos they married in 1902 so i will look for a poss Charlotte Florence Bew and see what i can find.To verify the info i find you will need to obtain the marriage cert of 1902-i know more expense but its really important to back up what i find with certs.

1891 England Census
about Charles E Bew
Name: Charles E Bew
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah H
Gender: Male
Where born: Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: West Ham
Sub registration district: West Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 58
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles E Bew 38
Sarah H Bew 37
George O Bew 12
Charlotte F Bew 8
Alice A Bew 5

1891 England Census
about Sarah H Bew
Name: Sarah H Bew
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Charles E
Gender: Female
Where born: Barking, Essex, England

Civil Parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: West Ham
Sub registration district: West Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 58
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles E Bew 38
Sarah H Bew 37
George O Bew 12
Charlotte F Bew 8
Alice A Bew 5

1891 England Census
about George O Bew
Name: George O Bew
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles E
Mother's Name: Sarah H
Gender: Male
Where born: West Ham, Essex, England

Civil Parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: West Ham
Sub registration district: West Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 58
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles E Bew 38
Sarah H Bew 37
George O Bew 12
Charlotte F Bew 8
Alice A Bew 5

1891 England Census
about Charlotte F Bew
Name: Charlotte F Bew
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Charles E
Mother's Name: Sarah H
Gender: Female
Where born: West Ham, Essex, England

Civil Parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: West Ham
Sub registration district: West Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 58
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles E Bew 38
Sarah H Bew 37
George O Bew 12
Charlotte F Bew 8
Alice A Bew 5

1891 England Census
about Alice A Bew
Name: Alice A Bew
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Charles E
Mother's Name: Sarah H
Gender: Female
Where born: West Ham, Essex, England

Civil Parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: West Ham
Sub registration district: West Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 58
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles E Bew 38
Sarah H Bew 37
George O Bew 12
Charlotte F Bew 8
Alice A Bew 5

Charles a House Painter

Address 44 Marcus Street

Scott

Hi Scott!another challenge for me!Ok i will see what i can find...

1st thing i have found is the marriage of Arthur Moate and Charlotte Bew-is actually Bew and not Buw.

Name Year of Registration Spouse's Surname District County View Image Order Record
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Charlotte Florence Bew 1902 West Ham Essex, Greater London
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Arthur Mathew Moate 1902 West Ham Essex, Greater London

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about Arthur Mathew Moate
Name: Arthur Mathew Moate
Year of Registration: 1902
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: West Ham
County: Essex, Greater London
Volume: 4a
Page: 531 (click to see others on page)

Here is the birth record of a poss sister of Florence

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Ethel E Moate
Name: Ethel E Moate
Year of Registration: 1913
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's Maiden Name: Bew
District: West Ham
County: Essex, Greater London
Volume: 4a
Page: 59 (click to see others on page)

Also poss birth of your Florence Moate

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Florence Amelia Moate
Name: Florence Amelia Moate
Year of Registration: 1906
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: West Ham
County: Essex, Greater London
Volume: 4a
Page: 11 (click to see others on page)

Will look for more.

Hi Michelle,
I managed to piece together all the information you supplied me a few days ago about the Gurner family, and all seems to fit. I have ordered the certificates you suggested just to confirm parents and dates etc.
I wondered if you would be-able to help out with another part of the family.
My grandmother knows very little about her parents and her grandparents as she was evacuated during the second world war at a young age and was never reunited with them.
My grandmother is called Joyce Wright, born 1930. She was born in London, I think in East Ham, but it may possibly be West Ham. Her parents were Samuel Wright and Florence Moate. Samuel's parents were Gerorge Wright and Mary (maiden name unknown), whilst Florence's parents were Arthur Moate and Charlotte Buw. She hasn't got any ideas about there birth years, siblings or proffessions, and also doesn't know if they themselves were born in London.
Is this enough information to find anything at all about my grandmother's side of the family at all? I really am stuck.

Thanks
Scott

Amanda

I have no electoral roll access to records so was wondering what info you required in particular for Alban?His death?or did you require more info on his parents?

Could you let me know please.

Thanks
Michelle : )

Jacquie

You will need to obtain the marriage cert of William and Ellen to get futher with this.Unless you know where the couple were born??London is a big place and there are several possibles for both of the couple.I need more info to pinpoint the correct 1's.Hoping the father's name plus a poss witness name may help.

I know more certs!!But 1921 is a long time after William's birthyear and Ellen having a Scottish surname could have been born anywhere?Lets cross fingers the cert helps.

Michelle

Jacquie

Here is the marriage of the parents William and Ellen

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about William H Collins
Name: William H Collins
Year of Registration: 1921
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's Surname: McCormick
District: Southwark(1901 Onw)
County: Greater London, London
Volume: 1d
Page: 171 (click to see others on page)

William H Collins 1921 McCormick Southwark(1901 Onw) Greater London, London
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Ellen McCormick 1921 Collins Southwark(1901 Onw) Greater London, London

A poss son of the couple

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about William M Collins
Name: William M Collins
Year of Registration: 1922
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's Maiden Name: McCormick
District: Southwark(1901 Onw)
County: Greater London, London
Volume: 1d
Page: 41 (click to see others on page)

John James Collins was born in 1923 Q4 in Southwark district mother's maiden name McCormick.

Vol 1d Page Number 35

Will look for more



There are also poss births in the name of Collins with mother's maiden name of McCormick in Lancashire in 1925-26 may not be linked??Do you know if they moved to Lancashire?Names were Alice and Frederick

Thanks so much Michelle
Margaret

Jacquie

Posted your request here from your p'm you sent earlier today

thank you so much for all the new info you have given me regarding the edgington family and i am on sites now doing more digging as well as sending off for birth certificates of family members to match up.
can i ask for your help again this time on my fathers side his name was john james collins born in london in 1923 and died in 2001 i have no more info on him i found out that his father was called william born in 1891nand his wife was ellen mcormick born 1896 and thats all i have can you show any light at all on other family members of my fathers and my grandfather and grandmother

From Jacquie

Margaret

Obtaining the marriage cert of 1929 will show you both father's names and their occupations and will also show you the occupations of the couple.You only need the 1929 cert for that.If you wanted to confirm birthyears you would need to get the poss birth certs.

Good luck with your tree and you know where i am if you need assistance in the future.

Michelle

Hi,
I am trying to find info. on my Grandfather, Alban Stuart (Stewart?) Turner. He was born in St. Albans, Hertfordshire in 1905 to Edward John Turner (b.1864) and Lucy Aldridge (b.1869). For a time Alban lived with his wife Doris Leefar with his parents, in a large house called Gainsborough House, Branch Road in the parish of St. Michaels in St. Albans. He and Doris had 3 children- Alma, Avis and Edward. Gainsborough House burnt down after a 2nd fire in apprrox. mid 1930's. (This was reported in the local newspaper "The Herts Advertiser"). Alban and Doris seperated shortly after this and I think he may have eventually settled in wales. I think he died late 1950's - mid 1960's, possibly in Swansea.
If you can help in any way or at least give me advice on the best way to go about getting the information I need, I would very much appreciate it.
Regards,
Amanda Pipe

Great work Michelle,
If I wanted to know what they did for a living before marriage ,would I have to purchase both certs?
When I first joined Genes a few years back ,you could see what people did and who else were in the family
At least I have something to work on
I think it is more interesting to make up your tree with what they did
I have my grandmother on one side as a tent maker!
thanks Michelle

Margaret

Poss deaths

England & Wales, Death Index: 1984-2005
about George Hautot
Name: George Hautot
Birth Date: 4 Aug 1905
Death Registration Month/Year: Oct 1994
Age at death (estimated): 89
Registration district: St Austell
Inferred County: Cornwall
Register number: 16A
District and Subdistrict: 3672
Entry Number: 256

England & Wales, Death Index: 1984-2005
about Nellie Ann Hautot
Name: Nellie Ann Hautot
Birth Date: 1 Apr 1907
Death Registration Month/Year: Aug 1994
Age at death (estimated): 87
Registration district: Truro
Inferred County: Cornwall
Register number: A27D
District and Subdistrict: 3701A
Entry Number: 68

Now i have the death records to work off here looks like the births

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about George Hautot
Name: George Hautot
Year of Registration: 1905
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Shoreditch
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 107 (click to see others on page)

and here is Nellie

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Nellie Ann Sadler
Name: Nellie Ann Sadler
Year of Registration: 1907
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Hackney
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 474 (click to see others on page)

These birth records are based on the death records.I do think the marriage is the right 1 also.

Michelle

Michelle I think the one you found was the right one 1929
looks like grandad was dead
margaret

Michelle,I am sorry I left the R off of Sadler
I think he died about 5 years ago maybe a little more,
they moved to Cornwall a while after they were married
Mum and I used to holiday with them when i was little
would love to know when Aunt Nellie married and if my Grandad was still alive or not ,
You found my Grandad sadler for me and he died at 38years old
thanks Michelle

Margaret

Just been looking for the marriage of George and i have found it.However maiden name of bride is listed as Sadler and not Sadle as you said earlier?

1929 Q2 Apr-May-June

George Hautot married Nellie.A. Sadler registered in Shoreditch

Vol Number 1c Page Number 96

You will need to obtain this cert to get his father's name and occupation. Certs can be ordered online from www.gro.gov.uk

Will look for more tomorrow.I think Nellie was born as Ellen A Sadler as i noticed a poss birth in 1910 in this name.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Ellen A Sadler
Name: Ellen A Sadler
Year of Registration: 1910
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: St Pancras (1902-1977)
County: Greater London, London
Volume: 1b
Page: 26 (click to see others on page)

There is a Nellie also but middle name is wrong

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Nellie G C Sadler
Name: Nellie G C Sadler
Year of Registration: 1911
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Islington
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 302 (click to see others on page)

Hi Michelle
Please would you helpme once again,
I am looking for George Hautot ,e was married to my aunt Nellie or her name could have been ellen
She was my late mum`s sister
Her maiden name was Sadle and I would love to complete my tree
I believe they were born c 1910/1920 in London
Thank Michelle
Margaret

Hi michelle.
Thank you for your help. They are Lucy's siblings, i had forgotten but my brother remembers visiting them as children. Luch May hand was born in Tarbuck, Lancashire. Her son (my father) David Anthony Fukes was born 1948 in cardinganshire wales.

marion.

Beryl

Here is the marriage of the couple and note the Emery surname.Niece was with them on the 1871-Mary A Emery


Sarah Emery 1852 Marylebone (1837-1901) London, Middlesex
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William Frederick Johnson 1852 Marylebone (1837-1901) London, Middlesex

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about William Frederick Johnson
Name: William Frederick Johnson
Year of Registration: 1852
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Marylebone (1837-1901)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 833 (click to see others on page)


1851 for Sarah Johnson- Nee Emery

1851 England Census
about Sarah Emery
Name: Sarah Emery
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Little Leigh, Essex, England

Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: All Souls
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Marylebone
Sub registration district: Cavendish Square
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 74
Household Members: Name Age
Jane Dolby 79
Louisa Dolby 72
Ann Cox 35
Ann Pilbeam 20
Sarah Emery 30
Sarah Gabites 24
Margaret MacDonald 28
Emma Daws 20
John Panngay 28
John Young 25
William Heunnings 21

Head of this house

1851 England Census
about Jane Dolby
Name: Jane Dolby
Age: 79
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1772
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Hackney, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: All Souls
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Marylebone
Sub registration district: Cavendish Square
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 74