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***Michelle***
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4 Feb 2009 08:12 |
Helen
Here is Senora
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Senora Appleby Name: Senora Appleby Year of Registration: 1905 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Chester Le Street County: Durham Volume: 10a Page: 518 (click to see others on page)
The marriage record.You may have to get the cert for this 1 Helen.There are a few George Ellis on the BMD born around same time and place.
They married as you said in 1928 Q3
George W Ellis married Senora Appleby marriage was reigstered in Auckland
Vol Number 10a Page Number 524
This is a good poss for the birth record for George based on the marriage record with the W middle initial
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about George William Ellis Name: George William Ellis Year of Registration: 1902 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Auckland County: Durham Volume: 10a Page: 272 (click to see others on page)
When you get the marriage cert it will state ages at marriage and father's names.I think it maybe a little risky to get the birth cert for George unless you are 100% certain he was born in Auckland in 1902.There are too many Ellis families to choose from on the 1901 and without any parents names or siblings it would be too risky.
Happy to help you once you get the cert.Certs can be ordered online from
www.gro.gov.uk cost is £7 per cert.
Michelle
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4 Feb 2009 00:29 |
Helen ,Corinne and Angela
Sorry i didn't get round to yours tonight.Its getting late and i better get some zzzz..Will do yours when next online.
Michelle : )
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4 Feb 2009 00:03 |
Terri
Hi there found a poss marriage...clitching at straws now!!
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983 about Sarah McPherson Name: Sarah McPherson Year of Registration: 1903 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Mile End Old Town County: London, Middlesex Volume: 1c Page: 732 (click to see others on page)
Name Year of Registration Spouse's Surname District County View Image Order Record View Record Roselina Coates 1903 Mile End Old Town London, Middlesex View Record Cornelius Lynch 1903 Mile End Old Town London, Middlesex View Record Sarah McPherson 1903 Mile End Old Town London, Middlesex View Record Henry Stewart 1903 Mile End Old Town London, Middlesex
Did look at the 1911 and found this
HOUSEHOLD LYNCH SARAH Female 1866 age 45 living in St George in the East London . I can't access this record as i have no credits left.I can't say its her??Without being able to look at it.
Also found this poss
HOUSEHOLD LYNCH SARAH Female 1863 48 living in Mile End Old Town London
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1 results found. You searched for: First names SARAH First names Algorithm Exact Last names LYNCH Last names Algorithm Exact Birth Year 1863 Birth Year +/- 3 years Other person last names LYNCH Other person last names Algorithm Exact Other person first names CORNELIUS Other person first names Algorithm Exact
Schedule type Last names First names Sex Birth year Age in 1911 District / other County / other Transcript Original page HOUSEHOLD LYNCH SARAH F 1866 45 St George in the East London
Might be worth a look!!I really don't know it maybe nothing.
I will come back to yours when i catch up on the others tomorrow.No sign of Fred as yet!
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***Michelle***
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3 Feb 2009 22:50 |
Terri
What a shame!!!back to the drawing board found the 1901 Sarah Ann with her brother James on the 1891!!
1891 England Census about Sarah Ann Mc Pherson Name: Sarah Ann Mc Pherson Age: 29 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862 Relation: Daughter Mother's Name: Isabella Gender: Female Where born: Rotherhithe, London, England Civil Parish: Rotherhithe Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch Town: Rotherhithe County/Island: London Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: St Olave Southwark Sub registration district: Rotherhithe ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Isabella Mc Pherson 71 William Mc Pherson 46 James Mc Pherson 40 John Mc Pherson 38 Sarah Ann Mc Pherson 29 Jessie Eliz Ford 17
Shows how wrong you can be sometimes!!Sorry i will look again for you.
Michelle
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3 Feb 2009 22:07 |
Angela
Good luck with your baby!!I know what its like with a little 1 climbing over you.I have a 2 year old...well she 3 at end of March.
Will take a look when i can...prob won't be tonight as i am busy on other's at mo.
Michelle
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Angela
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3 Feb 2009 21:31 |
michelle dont know if you got the last message my baby daughter who is still up pressed keypad not much to go on i think mary was born around 1887 her daughter olive was born october1921 i know she was placed in rainhill in the late fortys as my mum can remember going to visit her thanks for replying going to try to get baby back to bed wish me luck
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3 Feb 2009 21:14 |
Angela
Any idea for birthyears for these people?Especially Mary?
Would be really helpful if you could.
Michelle
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3 Feb 2009 21:10 |
Terri
This looks like a poss for your Sarah Ann on the 1901?I found a marriage 1900 of a Sarah Ann and i thought this could be a possibility that she had married and was not seen on the 1901 for that reason.I think she did not marry Henry and they just said they were married to say face.
Name Year of Registration Spouse's Surname District County View Image Order Record View Record Joshua Peniall Adcock 1900 Mile End Old Town London, Middlesex
Sarah Ann McPherson 1900 Mile End Old Town London, Middlesex
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983 about Sarah Ann McPherson Name: Sarah Ann McPherson Year of Registration: 1900 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Mile End Old Town County: London, Middlesex Volume: 1c Page: 743 (click to see others on page) We must only presume she left Henry and went on to marry this gentleman?Again this is a poss.I am hoping you will know this chap in the record as their is a poss family member lodging in the house on the 1901?
1901 England Census about Joshua Adcock Name: Joshua Adcock Age: 54 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah Gender: Male Where born: Rotherhithe, London, England Civil Parish: Rotherhithe Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch County/Island: London Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: St Olave Southwark Sub registration district: Rotherhithe ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 81 Household Members: Name Age Joshua Adcock 54 Sarah Adcock 38 James Mc Pherson 52 Martha Hunter 63
1901 England Census about Sarah Adcock Name: Sarah Adcock Age: 38 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Joshua Gender: Female Where born: Rotherhithe, London, England Civil Parish: Rotherhithe Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch County/Island: London Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: St Olave Southwark Sub registration district: Rotherhithe ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 81 Household Members: Name Age Joshua Adcock 54 Sarah Adcock 38 James Mc Pherson 52 Martha Hunter 63
1901 England Census about James Mc Pherson Name: James Mc Pherson Age: 52 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Bermondsey Civil Parish: Rotherhithe Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch County/Island: London Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: St Olave Southwark Sub registration district: Rotherhithe ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 81 Household Members: Name Age Joshua Adcock 54 Sarah Adcock 38 James Mc Pherson 52 Martha Hunter 63
1901 England Census about Martha Hunter Name: Martha Hunter Age: 63 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838 Relation: Friend Gender: Female Where born: Brentford Civil Parish: Rotherhithe Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch County/Island: London Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: St Olave Southwark Sub registration district: Rotherhithe ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 81 Household Members: Name Age Joshua Adcock 54 Sarah Adcock 38 James Mc Pherson 52 Martha Hunter 63
Joshua and James both Gen Labourer's James's birthplace listed as Brentford and crossed out and Bermondsey listed Sarah's was dittoed for London and then Bermondsey written and crossed out,The transcriber would have taken the ditto markings as Rotherhitle i presume.
Address difficult to make out??could be 19 Bathey Street??not good writing on this image!
Will look for more.Let me know if you know this James?if not i will see if i can find his connection to this Sarah.
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Angela
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3 Feb 2009 20:56 |
hi michelle i have sent for the certificate for eleanor and serapio thanks once again. if you get time would you be able to find a mary morton for me she lived liverpool and married we think william her maiden name was cursley not sure if spelt right we also believe she was married and before morton was beech once again i need your help she had many children and we believe was put into rainhill hospital with post natal depression and died in there some of her children were olive edie robert and margi thankyou again take care angela
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Corinne
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3 Feb 2009 20:22 |
Hi Michelle You very kindly helped me on my great grandmother Annie Hutchings, I have her birth cert back and it matches also the birth cert of my grandfathers younger brother which is a match so thankyou!!!! I have got a bit further now all the puzzle slotting together but I am having trouble with the folllowing Tracing Annies Older brother Albert, last on 1891 also her sister Lilian last on 1891. I think i have found Henry in 1911 married in Hackney, but for some reason they all scattered in 1901. Also her mother Caroline Roff I can't seem to find, she was born prob around 1853 in Croydon and married Albert in 1873. Not sure if she died before 1901?? Grasping at straws as would really like to find some of my grandfathers cousins. Any help you could give would be much appreciated!!!! Also if i want to cross check a cert can I ring the records office or do i send for the cert and they'll not send it if it doesn't match?? Thank you :-) Corinne
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Helen
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3 Feb 2009 19:33 |
thanks michelle thats great i never knew he was married twice
but i do have another you may be able to help me with its george ellis born 1902 married senora appleby born 1905 they were married in1928and had a daughter joan ellis born1929 thanks again helen
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3 Feb 2009 19:19 |
Jeanette
Here is the marriage of the couple.Sadly they married after the 1901 census.So we cannot view them on the records to see their ages and birthplaces.We know Louisa is Bradford birthplace.
Name Year of Registration Spouse's Surname District County View Image Order Record View Record Louisa Mary Abbott 1901 Medway (1837-1941) Kent
William Thomas Vaughan 1901 Medway (1837-1941) Kent
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983 about William Thomas Vaughan Name: William Thomas Vaughan Year of Registration: 1901 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Medway (1837-1941) County: Kent Volume: 2a Page: 1367 (click to see others on page)
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Colin
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3 Feb 2009 18:25 |
Hi Michelle , Thanks for that , Have come across most of this, will ring up the register office...I have an Uncle but for some reason he doesnt seem to want to help, my mothers brother...I understand some people do not like family tree's.will get there in the end ... Thanks for your time , appreciated
Regards Colin
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***Michelle***
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3 Feb 2009 17:43 |
Colin
This is your problem there are quite a few possibles showing on the census records...
Name Year of Registration Quarter of Registration District County View Image Order Record View Record
William James Murray 1890 Jul-Aug-Sep Liverpool (1837-1934) Lancashire View Record
James Murray 1889 Jan-Feb-Mar Liverpool (1837-1934) Lancashire View Record
James Murray 1889 Apr-May-Jun Liverpool (1837-1934) Lancashire View Record
James Murray 1889 Jul-Aug-Sep Liverpool (1837-1934) Lancashire View Record
James Murray 1888 Apr-May-Jun Liverpool (1837-1934) Lancashire View Record
James Murray 1888 Jul-Aug-Sep Liverpool (1837-1934) Lancashire View Record
John James Murray 1888 Jul-Aug-Sep Liverpool (1837-1934) Lancashire View Record
James Murray 1890 Jul-Aug-Sep West Derby Lancashire View Record
James Murray 1890 Jul-Aug-Sep Bolton Greater Manchester, Lancashire View Record
There were no Harry James Murray's listed.The only way around this is to apply for each cert and ask for it to be cross checked for the parents names that you have.Or better still you could ring the local records office to the area and ask them to look for you.Alot of offices are happy to help with these types of searches and you are in a lucky position of having parents names.Ask them to search 1887-1890 for a James Murray with the parents names you have listed.
On the 1891 this family were living in the West Derby district
1891 England Census about James Murray Name: James Murray Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890 Relation: Son Father's Name: Thomas Mother's Name: Sarah Gender: Male Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Everton Ecclesiastical parish: St Cuthbert County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address:
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Employment status: View Image Registration district: West Derby Sub registration district: North Everton ED, institution, or vessel: 30 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Thomas Murray 42 Sarah Murray 37 John Murray 11 Thomas Murray 9 James Murray 1 Mary Ann Hyslop 67 Thomas Hyslop 41
I don't hold the info from the birth records...only the Record Offices have this.So good luck and i am sure if you give them the names and a time scale to look at they will find them.I have advised people to do this same thing in the past with only 1 parent's name and they have been successful.There are too many to say which is the correct 1 and also birthyears on census records are listed as abt and are not always accuarate.Do you know when he died?Looking at the death record can sometimes help with birthyears?
Michelle
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3 Feb 2009 17:10 |
Colin
Just starting on yours now.I have had quite a few p'm's today and have had a big brick wall i had to work on earlier.You are next on my list.
Michelle
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3 Feb 2009 17:09 |
Avril
I would advise you to check for him on the 1911 to get further with this.You do have to pay to view transcripts though as it is not on any subcription packages yet.
http://www.1911census.co.uk/
Also check freeBMD for poss marriages-deaths
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3 Feb 2009 17:02 |
Hi Michelle Any Luck on James Murray...
Regards Colin
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3 Feb 2009 16:59 |
Avril
Just had a look at where William was on the 1901 and it was Aldershot Military Mounted and Foot Police-district staff offices.
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3 Feb 2009 16:48 |
Hi Michelle
Could I take up your offer of looking for a missing GGrandmother please? -
Sarah Ann McPherson b. 8.6.1865 St. George in the East
I have her on 1871/81 (with parent's), 1891 with Henry Blackledge (cannot find a marriage). On the 1891 they have a son Henry b.1890 and an illegitimate son of Sarah's - Fred McPherson b.1883.
Sarah is missing on the 1901 census. Henry Blackledge is now living with a Mary (no marriage found). Henry above b.1890 has died, Fred is missing, but he would be eighteen, so probably living/working elsewhere. Margaret b.1892 (my grandmother), John b.1895, Susan (Susannah) 1897 & Jim (James) 1898 all living with Henry Blackledge and Mary.
I have sent for the Birth Cert. of James 1898 - mother Sarah McPherson, so Sarah has disappeared sometime after 1898, I cannot find a death and cannot find her on either 1901 or 1911 census. Can you help please?
For info - Sarah and Henry had 10 children - Sarah Ann 1886-1886 Charles 1888-1890 Henry 1890-1892 Margaret 1892-1995 Eliza & Sarah 1894-1894 John 1895 - Susannah 1897 - James & Maria 1898 - 1899 (Maria)
On the 1911 Henry is now living with an Ellen , Susan and James are still there, but there are now five new children!! (Henry says he has been married for 25 years!
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3 Feb 2009 16:46 |
Thanks Michelle that is the one - now I have to find where he went from here = clearly may have been in WW1
tHANKS
Avril
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