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Hi hope you can help. I am trying to find the parents of Mary Ellen Ryan born 1890. I dont know where she was born. She married Frank Hand in 1913. She Had a dughter Lucy May in 1911 and further children after 1913. Can you help.
Thanks marion

Michell
Thanks very much for your prompt reply - really useful!
Best wishes
Cathie

Cathie

1901 Continued....

1901 England Census
about Mary L Hoe
Name: Mary L Hoe
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Edwin
Gender: Female
Where born: Sharnbrook, Bedfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Horsforth
Ecclesiastical parish: Horsforth St Margaret
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Wharfedale
Sub registration district: Horsforth
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Hoe 48
Albert E Hoe 20
Fredk Wm Hoe 19
Archibald Hoe 17
Gerald C Hoe 15
Mary L Hoe 14
Wilfred H Hoe 11
Isabella Tinker 55

1901 England Census
about Wilfred H Hoe
Name: Wilfred H Hoe
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Edwin
Gender: Male
Where born: Sharnbrook, Bedfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Horsforth
Ecclesiastical parish: Horsforth St Margaret
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Wharfedale
Sub registration district: Horsforth
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Hoe 48
Albert E Hoe 20
Fredk Wm Hoe 19
Archibald Hoe 17
Gerald C Hoe 15
Mary L Hoe 14
Wilfred H Hoe 11
Isabella Tinker 55

1901 England Census
about Isabella Tinker
Name: Isabella Tinker
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Sister-in-law
Gender: Female
Where born: Upton, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Horsforth
Ecclesiastical parish: Horsforth St Margaret
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Wharfedale
Sub registration district: Horsforth
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Hoe 48
Albert E Hoe 20
Fredk Wm Hoe 19
Archibald Hoe 17
Gerald C Hoe 15
Mary L Hoe 14
Wilfred H Hoe 11
Isabella Tinker 55

Edwin a Station Master
Albert a Railwat Clerk
Frederick,Archibald,Gerald

Address Bank Terrace written as Bank Ter...maybe Terrace

Cathie

Here is the 1901 and thanks for info.

1901 England Census
about Edwin Hoe
Name: Edwin Hoe
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Southwell, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Horsforth
Ecclesiastical parish: Horsforth St Margaret
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Wharfedale
Sub registration district: Horsforth
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Hoe 48
Albert E Hoe 20
Fredk Wm Hoe 19
Archibald Hoe 17
Gerald C Hoe 15
Mary L Hoe 14
Wilfred H Hoe 11
Isabella Tinker 55

1901 England Census
about Albert E Hoe
Name: Albert E Hoe
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Edwin
Gender: Male
Where born: Finedon, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Horsforth
Ecclesiastical parish: Horsforth St Margaret
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Wharfedale
Sub registration district: Horsforth
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Hoe 48
Albert E Hoe 20
Fredk Wm Hoe 19
Archibald Hoe 17
Gerald C Hoe 15
Mary L Hoe 14
Wilfred H Hoe 11
Isabella Tinker 55

1901 England Census
about Fredk Wm Hoe
Name: Fredk Wm Hoe
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Edwin
Gender: Male
Where born: Southwell, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Horsforth
Ecclesiastical parish: Horsforth St Margaret
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Wharfedale
Sub registration district: Horsforth
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Hoe 48
Albert E Hoe 20
Fredk Wm Hoe 19
Archibald Hoe 17
Gerald C Hoe 15
Mary L Hoe 14
Wilfred H Hoe 11
Isabella Tinker 55

1901 England Census
about Archibald Hoe
Name: Archibald Hoe
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Edwin
Gender: Male
Where born: Finedon, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Horsforth
Ecclesiastical parish: Horsforth St Margaret
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Wharfedale
Sub registration district: Horsforth
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Hoe 48
Albert E Hoe 20
Fredk Wm Hoe 19
Archibald Hoe 17
Gerald C Hoe 15
Mary L Hoe 14
Wilfred H Hoe 11
Isabella Tinker 55

1901 England Census
about Gerald C Hoe
Name: Gerald C Hoe
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Edwin
Gender: Male
Where born: Finedon, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Horsforth
Ecclesiastical parish: Horsforth St Margaret
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Wharfedale
Sub registration district: Horsforth
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Hoe 48
Albert E Hoe 20
Fredk Wm Hoe 19
Archibald Hoe 17
Gerald C Hoe 15
Mary L Hoe 14
Wilfred H Hoe 11
Isabella Tinker 55

Continue.....

Hi Michelle
Please could you do a census lookup for 1901 for Frederick W HOE (born 1881 in Notts) &family. Probably Yorkshire area and poss linked to Railways?
If its any help I tried to do a free census check (which doesnt show you very much) and I found one which I assume is the one but it said FREDK W HOE aged 19. Not sure if this is how it was recorded?

many thanks
Cathie

Bumped up for Angela

Michelle

Michelle, thank you so much for the information. You are a star. Carolyn

George

If Mary was the 1 i found 1796 with parents George and Hannah this could be their marriage

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GEORGE WASTENAGE Pedigree
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Event(s):
Birth:
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Marriages:
Spouse: HANNAH BECKETT Family
Marriage: 15 FEB 1795 Cathedral Saint Peter, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England



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George

There are some records re Thomas senior futher up this page,so don't miss them.

Here looks like the death for his son Charles

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983
about Charles Whitaker Wastnage
Name: Charles Whitaker Wastnage
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Year of Registration: 1892
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 42
District: St Olave Southwark (1837-1901)
County: London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 118 (click to see others on page)

thanks for the info michelle
i think i have the right sarah now
helen

Elizabeth

I am a little confused???Also have looked for a Margaret Edgar on the 1901 with Robert W and this 1 is only 1 showing?

1901 England Census
about Margaret Edgar
Name: Margaret Edgar
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Robert W
Gender: Female
Where born: Binchester, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Middlestone
Ecclesiastical parish: Merrington St John the Evangelist
Town: Middlestone Moor
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Auckland
Sub registration district: Bishop Auckland
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 205
Household Members: Name Age
Robert W Edgar 22
Margaret Edgar 20

Birthplace listed as Durham?

Could you tell me if this is her?Also give me the witness names of the marriage of 1898?It maybe that u have your census records from Genes?Some are transcripted different.

Thanks

Michelle

Hi michelle, just want to say thank you for doing my James Charlwood census lookup for me the other day, very interesting, as usual lol, I expect I will be back soon, asking for something else, lol many thanks once again.....Lilly

Danielle

Please let me know when you get it.I would be very interested.

Michelle

hi michelle im desperate for help to establish margaret cook birth and parents. i have her marriage certificate,1898 southshields to robert william edgar. she gives her age as 21 and father as henry cook occupation joiner.she is in 1901 census with robert but now says she is 20. i have her death certificate 1919 southshields which gives her age as 35.so three differing ages, she gives her birthplace in census as middlesbrough yorks.i have looked at 1891 census henry cook and elizabeth middlesbrough and others but how can i be sure of right family hope you can help elizabeth

Hello Michelle

Thanks again for them, I will have a look into them next week. Hopefully birth certificate will help when it arrives.

Kind regards

Danielle

Danielle

Also found this another marriage in 1855 in Leeds

Name Year of Registration Spouse's Surname District County View Image Order Record
View Record
Michael Comer 1855 Leeds (1837-1929) Yorkshire - West Riding
View Record
Ann Davy 1855 Leeds (1837-1929) Yorkshire - West Riding
View Record
Patrick Lochran 1855 Leeds (1837-1929) Yorkshire - West Riding
View Record
Catherine McGrale 1855 Leeds (1837-1929) Yorkshire - West Riding

Marriage was to Catherine McGrale



England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about Patrick Lochran
Name: Patrick Lochran
Year of Registration: 1855
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Leeds (1837-1929)
County: Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9b
Page: 373 (click to see others on page)

Then of course the 1 you found

Name Year of Registration Spouse's Surname District County View Image Order Record
View Record
Margaret Clifford 1862 Leeds (1837-1929) Yorkshire - West Riding
View Record
Patrick Gorman 1862 Leeds (1837-1929) Yorkshire - West Riding
View Record
Patrick Loughran 1862 Leeds (1837-1929) Yorkshire - West Riding
View Record
Julia McMahon 1862 Leeds (1837-1929) Yorkshire - West Riding

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about Patrick Loughran
Name: Patrick Loughran
Year of Registration: 1862
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Leeds (1837-1929)
County: Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9b
Page: 543 (click to see others on page)

Wonder if its the same person???

Will check the 1851...funny thing is i had seen a poss Peter on the 1851 who matched the occupation of the 1871 Peter...Clothes Dealer wasn't it?Only prob was there was a son James there already on the 1851 aged 7 so i hunted for a death and couldn't see 1...although its poss that its under a transcript error!!I am beginning to wonder which is the correct name!!There was also a John and a Ellen children with them.I accounted for John who was with a relative on the 1861 and would have left home by the 1871 but couldn't see Ellen...and no death for her?So bit of a mystery really.

George

Here is the christening record of Thomas which i am sure you already have.Showing just a mother for Thomas.As there also a middle name which looks like a surname,it is poss that Thomas was illegitimate.

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THOMAS WHITAKER WASTENAGE Pedigree
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 20 JAN 1822 Cathedral Saint Peter, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Mother: MARY WASTENAGE Family


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Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date


Here is a poss Christening for Mary-same district,same church.

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MARY WASTENAGE Pedigree
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 17 JAN 1796 Cathedral Saint Peter, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: GEORGE WASTENAGE Family
Mother: HANNAH


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.


Have you got the marriage cert for Thomas?may have a father listed on that?Is the best way to start with to see.

Hello Michelle

Thank you for taking your time on this for me, I ended up working for 4 hours and think I've finally sorted it. GRO didn't send me the certificate as the fathers name didn't match but I have sent off for it again and not filled in fathers details. On the 1861 census James is living with his father Peter and they are boarding with Margaret and Catherine Clifford (down as Clillord on census). On 1871 census he is living with his father Peter, who has re-married to someone called Margaret and had Catherine and Bridget. It turns out that Margaret is Margaret clifford from the 1861 census and from looking up the marriage she married a Patrick Lochran so after all that Peter is actually Patrick. Could you tell me if there is anything on the 1851 census for a Patrick Lochran/Loughlan/Laughlin/Locklin please?

Kind regards

Danielle

Danielle

Hi Danielle

A name with transcript nightmares!!Well my 1st suggestion to you is to send for James's marriage cert to see if father is listed as Peter on that.

There are several possibilities which i am sure you also have considered.

1) James was not born in Leeds and was born in Ireland.He may have come over at a very young age(as a baby) and so therefore considered Leeds and Yorkshire as his homeplace.

2) His birth may not have been registered.It was not compulsory to register births until 1875.Quite alot of births were not registered.

3) Peter was going by his middle name on the census records.What was the name of the father of the 1855 birth you sent for?It is poss for example that he was John Peter and favoured his middle name?

4) The birth record could be badly transcribed.

So as you can see there are several explanations for the birth record.

What census info have you on Peter prior to 1861?What i also found interesting is i looked for a death of a Loughlan female dying between 1855-1861 in Yorkshire and nothing???So did she die in England?

Also on the 1871 was the Peter you found a Clothes Dealer?

What are your thoughts?

Derek

No obvious death for Joseph but its poss he lived to an old age and would be on the BMD Index.He may have died aged 80 plus this would place him on the index and not show him on the transcribed records.I will take a look later for you.

Michelle