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Hi Michelle,

That is brilliant. Elizabeth married again after the death of William, about 1905, to a George Goodman.

Thank you very much, really appreciated.

Chris

Chris

Poss death in 1905 for Elizabeth Bartlett,still looking for 1901

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983
about Elizabeth Bartlett
Name: Elizabeth Bartlett
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Year of Registration: 1905
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 48
District: Lambeth
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 182 (click to see others on page)

Chris

Here is Ethel Bartlett on the 1901 now living with her sister who is now married.

1901 England Census
about William Tomlinson
Name: William Tomlinson
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Bristol; Bedminster

Civil Parish: Bristol
Ecclesiastical parish: Clifton St Andrew the Less
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Bristol
Sub registration district: Clifton
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 191
Household Members: Name Age
William Tomlinson 33
Elizabeth Tomlinson 29
Marjorie Tomlinson 8
Dorothy Tomlinson 6
Ethel Bartlett 15

1901 England Census
about Elizabeth Tomlinson
Name: Elizabeth Tomlinson
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Lambeth, London, England

Civil Parish: Bristol
Ecclesiastical parish: Clifton St Andrew the Less
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Bristol
Sub registration district: Clifton
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 191
Household Members: Name Age
William Tomlinson 33
Elizabeth Tomlinson 29
Marjorie Tomlinson 8
Dorothy Tomlinson 6
Ethel Bartlett 15

1901 England Census
about Marjorie Tomlinson
Name: Marjorie Tomlinson
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Lambeth, London, England

Civil Parish: Bristol
Ecclesiastical parish: Clifton St Andrew the Less
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Bristol
Sub registration district: Clifton
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 191
Household Members: Name Age
William Tomlinson 33
Elizabeth Tomlinson 29
Marjorie Tomlinson 8
Dorothy Tomlinson 6
Ethel Bartlett 15

1901 England Census
about Dorothy Tomlinson
Name: Dorothy Tomlinson
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Lambeth, London, England

Civil Parish: Bristol
Ecclesiastical parish: Clifton St Andrew the Less
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Bristol
Sub registration district: Clifton
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 191
Household Members: Name Age
William Tomlinson 33
Elizabeth Tomlinson 29
Marjorie Tomlinson 8
Dorothy Tomlinson 6
Ethel Bartlett 15

1901 England Census
about Ethel Bartlett
Name: Ethel Bartlett
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Sister-in-law
Gender: Female
Where born: Lambeth, London, England

Civil Parish: Bristol
Ecclesiastical parish: Clifton St Andrew the Less
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Bristol
Sub registration district: Clifton
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 191
Household Members: Name Age
William Tomlinson 33
Elizabeth Tomlinson 29
Marjorie Tomlinson 8
Dorothy Tomlinson 6
Ethel Bartlett 15

William a Master Tailor

Address Hill Field Lodge

Chris

1891 Continued....

1891 England Census
about Ethel Bartlett
Name: Ethel Bartlett
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Lambeth, London, England

Civil Parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillips
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub registration district: Lambeth Church Second
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Bartlett 45
Elizabeth Bartlett 36
Elizabeth Bartlett 19
William Bartlett 13
Ada Bartlett 10
Ethel Bartlett 5
Willie Bartlett 3
Elizabeth Upcott 79

1891 England Census
about Willie Bartlett
Name: Willie Bartlett
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Lambeth, London, England

Civil Parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillips
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub registration district: Lambeth Church Second
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Bartlett 45
Elizabeth Bartlett 36
Elizabeth Bartlett 19
William Bartlett 13
Ada Bartlett 10
Ethel Bartlett 5
Willie Bartlett 3
Elizabeth Upcott 79

1891 England Census
about Elizabeth Upcott
Name: Elizabeth Upcott
Age: 79
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812
Relation: Mother-in-law
Gender: Female
Where born: Plymouth, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillips
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub registration district: Lambeth Church Second
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Bartlett 45
Elizabeth Bartlett 36
Elizabeth Bartlett 19
William Bartlett 13
Ada Bartlett 10
Ethel Bartlett 5
Willie Bartlett 3
Elizabeth Upcott 79

William a Wood Carver
Elizabeth daughter a Dress Maker
Elizabeth Upcott a Widow

Address 41 St Mary's Square

For your records

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983
about William Franklin Bartlett
Name: William Franklin Bartlett
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Year of Registration: 1901
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 55
District: Lambeth
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 249 (click to see others on page)

And your correct he would not be on the 1901 because the 1901 Census for England was taken on the night of 31 March 1901.

Will look for the 1901 of the wife.

Michelle

Chris

Thanks for the dates.

1891 England Census
about William Bartlett
Name: William Bartlett
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Cowley, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillips
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub registration district: Lambeth Church Second
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Bartlett 45
Elizabeth Bartlett 36
Elizabeth Bartlett 19
William Bartlett 13
Ada Bartlett 10
Ethel Bartlett 5
Willie Bartlett 3
Elizabeth Upcott 79

1891 England Census
about Elizabeth Bartlett
Name: Elizabeth Bartlett
[Elizabeth Upcott]
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Chelsea, London, England

Civil Parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillips
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub registration district: Lambeth Church Second
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Bartlett 45
Elizabeth Bartlett 36
Elizabeth Bartlett 19
William Bartlett 13
Ada Bartlett 10
Ethel Bartlett 5
Willie Bartlett 3
Elizabeth Upcott 79

1891 England Census
about Elizabeth Bartlett
Name: Elizabeth Bartlett
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Marylebone, London, England

Civil Parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillips
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub registration district: Lambeth Church Second
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Bartlett 45
Elizabeth Bartlett 36
Elizabeth Bartlett 19
William Bartlett 13
Ada Bartlett 10
Ethel Bartlett 5
Willie Bartlett 3
Elizabeth Upcott 79

1891 England Census
about William Bartlett
Name: William Bartlett
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Lambeth, London, England

Civil Parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillips
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub registration district: Lambeth Church Second
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Bartlett 45
Elizabeth Bartlett 36
Elizabeth Bartlett 19
William Bartlett 13
Ada Bartlett 10
Ethel Bartlett 5
Willie Bartlett 3
Elizabeth Upcott 79

1891 England Census
about Ada Bartlett
Name: Ada Bartlett
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Lambeth, London, England

Civil Parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillips
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub registration district: Lambeth Church Second
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Bartlett 45
Elizabeth Bartlett 36
Elizabeth Bartlett 19
William Bartlett 13
Ada Bartlett 10
Ethel Bartlett 5
Willie Bartlett 3
Elizabeth Upcott 79

Continue.....

Hi Michelle,

Sorry, should have given you dates. William Franklin Bartlett senior. 1845-1901, so he might not be on 1901 census.

Chris

Chris

No birthyears or places of birth??So i presume this is the correct William?and found this,although i expect you already have it?

UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919
about William Franklin Bartlett
Name: William Franklin Bartlett
Birth Place: Lambeth, Surrey
Residence: London
Death Date: 25 Sep 1916
Enlistment Location: Kennington, Surrey
Rank: A/R.S.M.
Regiment: Bedfordshire Regiment
Battalion: 1st Battalion.
Number: 5710
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Theater of War: Aldershot

Looking at your thread though if you are saying he is head of house can't be the 1877 William??So could you give me his birthyear and place please?

Michelle

Susan

Did find some christening records on the previous page so don't miss them.

Re 1841 i can't see them....Its poss they died prior to the 1841?The best way to work further with this 1 is to get Charles's marriage cert.This will tell u his fathers occupation and will hopefully list whether he was alive or not and also show witness names...clues if we are lucky!

Only William showing around the correct age is this 1 but he has a wife Margaret?

1841 England Census
about William Horton
Name: William Horton
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791
Gender: Male
Where born: Kent, England

Civil Parish: Chatham
Hundred: Chatham and Gillingham
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Medway
Sub registration district: Gillingham
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Horton 50
Margaret Horton 50
Elizabeth Horton 25
Hammit Horton 20
Hester Horton 15

Only other poss is this 1

1841 England Census
about Charles Horton
Name: Charles Horton
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Gender: Male

Civil Parish: Egham
Hundred: Godley (Second Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Windsor
Sub registration district: Egham
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Horton 57
Susanah Horton 47
George Horton 23
Charles Horton 21
Rebecca Horton 19
Benjamin Horton 17
Jane Horton 14


But like i say cert is the best idea.Also looking at the parish records for Chatham may help as it might list more info on the marriage of William and Mary.

Michelle

New message to ***Michelle***

Hello, Would you possibly be able to look up the 1891 census for Gertrude Annie Horton. She was born in 1878 in Bermondsey, Surrey and didn't marry until 1898. Her father was deceased by 1879 but her mother Ann Horton b. 1845 was still alive.
The mother Ann went on to re-marry a George Crick in November 1891, so may have been living with George and taken his name before they married!! Thank You so much for your help.

From Susan

Hi Michelle,

1891 & 1901 Census. Bartlett family living in St Marys Square, Lambeth.

Head of family, William Franklin Bartlett.

Can you have a look and see what family members are present please.

Many thanks

Chris

Susan

Will look for you later tonight re 1841.

Here is a poss sibling though for Charles

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
about Rebecca Esther Horton
Name: Rebecca Esther Horton
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 15 Aug 1819
Christening Place: Chatham, Kent, England
Father's Name: William Horton
Mother's Name: Mary

and here is Charles Christening Record

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
about Charles Benjamin Horton
Name: Charles Benjamin Horton
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 2 Feb 1817
Christening Place: Chatham, Kent, England
Father's Name: William Horton
Mother's Name: Mary

and another

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
about William Henry Horton
Name: William Henry Horton
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 17 Feb 1822
Christening Place: Chatham, Kent, England
Father's Name: William Horton
Mother's Name: Mary

Hello Michelle,
I have been recommended to ask you. I am looking for the 1841 census for William and Mary Horton (spelling may vary) who married in 1810 in Chatham Kent. so I am guessing births around 1790ish. Their son Charles was baptised in 1817 also in Chatham and did not marry until 1847 so may have been still with parents in 1841. Charles occupation has been shown on later entries as a greengrocer and fish monger. I don't know if there may have been any other children living with them. I would be most grateful of anything you might find.

n

June

Was wondering how the Balchin name fits in with the Ethrington father's surname?

Michelle

Hi Michelle,

Many thanks for looking for me. Will have to research a bit more and get back to you.

Kind regards
Helen

Helen

No luck sorry!Only a father John with mother Isabella?No Thomas and Isabella parents.

Sorry for delay been really busy with my job.

Michelle

Hi looking for more info on amos balchin mum dad when died?? all i can get is born 1864 redhill surry. wed my nan frances emily simmonds in 1909 living at keepers cottage reigate shewas wed to jojn castle befor amos. his mum my be jane. dad may be ethrington??

Hi Michelle,

Hope you are keeping well.

I have just obtained the details of my Granny's second marriage in 1947 and am hoping you can help me with the details of her husband.

The 1947 wedding details are as follows

Thomas Johnstone-50 years-steam craneman (widower)
usual residence 7 belmont street clydebank
Father- Thomas Johnstone-coal miner-deceased
Mother-Isabella Young-deceased

I am hoping to find Thomas with his parents & siblings on 1901 Scotland Census. The County would be Lanarkshire.

Many thanks for any assistance.

bye Helen

John

Have noticed that William Archer's birth year changes from census to census have seen 1845,1843 also.

With this is mind wonder if this is your William on the 1851?

1851 England Census
about James Martin
Name: James Martin
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: At Sea, Kent, England

Civil Parish: Deptford St Paul
Ecclesiastical parish: London
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Greenwich
Sub registration district: St Paul Deptford
ED, institution, or vessel: 2i
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
James Martin 31
Ann Martin 29
Hannah Archer 10
William Archer 6
Mary Martin 31

1851 England Census
about Ann Martin
Name: Ann Martin
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: St Margaret, Westmorland, England

Civil Parish: Deptford St Paul
Ecclesiastical parish: London
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Greenwich
Sub registration district: St Paul Deptford
ED, institution, or vessel: 2i
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
James Martin 31
Ann Martin 29
Hannah Archer 10
William Archer 6
Mary Martin 31

1851 England Census
about Hannah Archer
Name: Hannah Archer
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Westminster, St Margaret

Civil Parish: Deptford St Paul
Ecclesiastical parish: London
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Greenwich
Sub registration district: St Paul Deptford
ED, institution, or vessel: 2i
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
James Martin 31
Ann Martin 29
Hannah Archer 10
William Archer 6
Mary Martin 31

1851 England Census
about William Archer
Name: William Archer
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Gender: Male
Where born: Deptford, Kent, England

Civil Parish: Deptford St Paul
Ecclesiastical parish: London
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Greenwich
Sub registration district: St Paul Deptford
ED, institution, or vessel: 2i
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
James Martin 31
Ann Martin 29
Hannah Archer 10
William Archer 6
Mary Martin 31

1851 England Census
about Mary Martin
Name: Mary Martin
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Gender: Female
Where born: Greenwich, Kent, England

Civil Parish: Deptford St Paul
Ecclesiastical parish: London
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Greenwich
Sub registration district: St Paul Deptford
ED, institution, or vessel: 2i
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
James Martin 31
Ann Martin 29
Hannah Archer 10
William Archer 6
Mary Martin 31

James a Mariner

Noticed this marriage

Ann Archer 1850 Greenwich Greater London, Kent, London

James Martin 1850 Greenwich Greater London, Kent, London

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about James Martin
Name: James Martin
Year of Registration: 1850
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Greenwich
County: Greater London, Kent, London
Volume: 5
Page: 247 (click to see others on page)

Will look further into this tomorrow John.So could you wait for me to check this please?Thanks

Michelle

Cynthia

Will take a look for you.It is poss his birth wasn't registered.Wasn't compulsory until 1875.

at 1st glance there are quite a few George Alfred's!

Michelle