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2 Apr 2009 12:23 |
Hi Michelle Thank you so much for ALL your information, I didn`t even think of checking for transcript errors. Very much appreciated Sandra
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Elaine
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2 Apr 2009 11:07 |
Hi Michelle Thanks once again for looking for me , i took alook at 1911 census before i got in touch with you Arthur was living with his parents Abraham & hannah , in Bolton, he is with his wife Sarah Ann married for 2 years, no children on there, thanks for your help ... best wishes elainex
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***Michelle***
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2 Apr 2009 10:55 |
Julie
Re William Gray nothing certain sorry.I suggest you contact the office where the marriage parish records are.The 1819 marriage may have details of who is father was.This would help in narrowing him down.The problem is the 1841 was not the most accurate of census records.Other idea maybe to get his death record so see whether his age is listed on that.
Most offices are happy to help.
Michelle
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2 Apr 2009 10:39 |
Sandra
Death of father
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983 about George Coram Name: George Coram Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822 Year of Registration: 1877 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Age at Death: 55 District: Newton Abbot County: Devon Volume: 5b Page: 88 (click to see others on page) 1881 showing Mary Ann now as a Widow
1881 England Census about Mary A. Coram Name: Mary A. Coram Age: 53 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Hennock, Devon, England Civil Parish: Hennock County/Island: Devon Country: England Street address: K Village Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower) Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: Newton Abbot Sub registration district: Chudleigh ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Mary A. Coram 53 Emma Coram 34 James Coram 25
1881 England Census about Emma Coram Name: Emma Coram Age: 34 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847 Relation: Daughter Mother's Name: Mary A. Gender: Female Where born: Hennock, Devon, England Civil Parish: Hennock County/Island: Devon Country: England Street address: K Village Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: Newton Abbot Sub registration district: Chudleigh ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Mary A. Coram 53 Emma Coram 34 James Coram 25
1881 England Census about James Coram Name: James Coram Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856 Relation: Son Mother's Name: Mary A. Gender: Male Where born: Hennock, Devon, England Civil Parish: Hennock County/Island: Devon Country: England Street address: K Village Education:
Employment status: View Image Occupation: Lab Brick Yard Registration district: Newton Abbot Sub registration district: Chudleigh ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Mary A. Coram 53 Emma Coram 34 James Coram 25
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2 Apr 2009 10:30 |
Sandra
Marriage of Parents of Anna Eliza
George Coram 1846 Newton Abbot Devon
Mary Anne Moist 1846 Newton Abbot Devon
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983 about George Coram Name: George Coram Year of Registration: 1846 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Newton Abbot County: Devon Volume: 10 Page: 225 (click to see others on page)
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2 Apr 2009 10:29 |
Sandra
1871 Census remember this is mistranscribed...writing on this census image was not good!!
1871 England Census about George Urham Name: George Urham Age: 48 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Gender: Male Where born: North Tawton, Devon, England Civil Parish: Hennock Ecclesiastical parish: Chudleigh Knighton County/Island: Devon Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View Image Registration district: Newton Abbot Sub registration district: Chudleigh ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 45 Household Members: Name Age George Urham 48 Mary Ann Urham 41 Emma Urham 24 Ellen Urham 12 Anna Eliza Urham 8 John Urham 6
1871 England Census about Mary Ann Urham Name: Mary Ann Urham Age: 41 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: George Gender: Female Where born: Hennock, Devon, England Civil Parish: Hennock Ecclesiastical parish: Chudleigh Knighton County/Island: Devon Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View Image Registration district: Newton Abbot Sub registration district: Chudleigh ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 45 Household Members: Name Age George Urham 48 Mary Ann Urham 41 Emma Urham 24 Ellen Urham 12 Anna Eliza Urham 8 John Urham 6
1871 England Census about Emma Urham Name: Emma Urham Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: George Mother's Name: Mary Ann Gender: Female Where born: Hennock, Devon, England Civil Parish: Hennock Ecclesiastical parish: Chudleigh Knighton County/Island: Devon Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View Image Registration district: Newton Abbot Sub registration district: Chudleigh ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 45 Household Members: Name Age George Urham 48 Mary Ann Urham 41 Emma Urham 24 Ellen Urham 12 Anna Eliza Urham 8 John Urham 6
1871 England Census about Ellen Urham Name: Ellen Urham Age: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: George Mother's Name: Mary Ann Gender: Female Where born: Hennock, Devon, England Civil Parish: Hennock Ecclesiastical parish: Chudleigh Knighton County/Island: Devon Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View Image Registration district: Newton Abbot Sub registration district: Chudleigh ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 45 Household Members: Name Age George Urham 48 Mary Ann Urham 41 Emma Urham 24 Ellen Urham 12 Anna Eliza Urham 8 John Urham 6
1871 England Census about Anna Eliza Urham Name: Anna Eliza Urham Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: George Mother's Name: Mary Ann Gender: Female Where born: Hennock, Devon, England Civil Parish: Hennock Ecclesiastical parish: Chudleigh Knighton County/Island: Devon Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View Image Registration district: Newton Abbot Sub registration district: Chudleigh ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 45 Household Members: Name Age George Urham 48 Mary Ann Urham 41 Emma Urham 24 Ellen Urham 12 Anna Eliza Urham 8 John Urham 6
1871 England Census about John Urham Name: John Urham Age: 6 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865 Relation: Son Father's Name: George Mother's Name: Mary Ann Gender: Male Where born: Hennock, Devon, England Civil Parish: Hennock Ecclesiastical parish: Chudleigh Knighton County/Island: Devon Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View Image Registration district: Newton Abbot Sub registration district: Chudleigh ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 45 Household Members: Name Age George Urham 48 Mary Ann Urham 41 Emma Urham 24 Ellen Urham 12 Anna Eliza Urham 8 John Urham 6
George a Clay Miner
Address Knighton Village
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2 Apr 2009 10:12 |
Sandra
Hi i have found Anna i believe under a transcript error.Will list the 1861 1st of her parents and siblings so you can see that their correct surname was Coram.
1861 England Census about George Coram Name: George Coram Age: 37 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Gender: Male Where born: North Tawton, Devon, England Civil Parish: Hennock County/Island: Devon Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration district: Newton Abbot Sub registration district: Chudleigh ED, institution, or vessel: 9c Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 29 Household Members: Name Age George Coram 37 Mary Ann Coram 33 Emma Coram 14 George Coram 8 James Coram 5 Ellen Coram 1
1861 England Census about Mary Ann Coram Name: Mary Ann Coram Age: 33 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: George Gender: Female Where born: Hennock, Devon, England Civil Parish: Hennock County/Island: Devon Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration district: Newton Abbot Sub registration district: Chudleigh ED, institution, or vessel: 9c Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 29 Household Members: Name Age George Coram 37 Mary Ann Coram 33 Emma Coram 14 George Coram 8 James Coram 5 Ellen Coram 1
1861 England Census about Emma Coram Name: Emma Coram Age: 14 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: George Mother's Name: Mary Ann Gender: Female Where born: Hennock, Devon, England Civil Parish: Hennock County/Island: Devon Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration district: Newton Abbot Sub registration district: Chudleigh ED, institution, or vessel: 9c Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 29 Household Members: Name Age George Coram 37 Mary Ann Coram 33 Emma Coram 14 George Coram 8 James Coram 5 Ellen Coram 1
1861 England Census about George Coram Name: George Coram Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853 Relation: Son Father's Name: George Mother's Name: Mary Ann Gender: Male Where born: Hennock, Devon, England Civil Parish: Hennock County/Island: Devon Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration district: Newton Abbot Sub registration district: Chudleigh ED, institution, or vessel: 9c Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 29 Household Members: Name Age George Coram 37 Mary Ann Coram 33 Emma Coram 14 George Coram 8 James Coram 5 Ellen Coram 1
1861 England Census about James Coram Name: James Coram Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856 Relation: Son Father's Name: George Mother's Name: Mary Ann Gender: Male Where born: Hennock, Devon, England Civil Parish: Hennock County/Island: Devon Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration district: Newton Abbot Sub registration district: Chudleigh ED, institution, or vessel: 9c Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 29 Household Members: Name Age George Coram 37 Mary Ann Coram 33 Emma Coram 14 George Coram 8 James Coram 5 Ellen Coram 1
1861 England Census about Ellen Coram Name: Ellen Coram Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: George Mother's Name: Mary Ann Gender: Female Where born: Hennock, Devon, England Civil Parish: Hennock County/Island: Devon Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration district: Newton Abbot Sub registration district: Chudleigh ED, institution, or vessel: 9c Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 29 Household Members: Name Age George Coram 37 Mary Ann Coram 33 Emma Coram 14 George Coram 8 James Coram 5 Ellen Coram 1
George a Clay Cutter
Address Village Of Knighton
Will post 1871 next
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2 Apr 2009 09:50 |
Michelle
thanks for the info. on the 1891 census.
About the men being navvies ties in with the Horwich area as they started work there building the locomotive works in 1884 and in excess of 1,000,000 tons of muck was moved by hand.
dave
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Julie
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2 Apr 2009 08:50 |
Thanks Michelle for the info on Woodward. Hope you turn something up on William Gray.
Julie
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Sandra
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2 Apr 2009 01:02 |
Hello Michelle Is there any chance you could find any info of parents/siblings of Anna Eliza Coram b1862 Chudleigh Knighton, Newton Abbott, Devon ? She married Reuben Roberts in 1884 in N Abbott. Thank you Sandra
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2 Apr 2009 00:40 |
Maureen
Have you birthyears or places for James and William?Also how do you know his occupation was this from marriage cert?If so what were the witness names please and address at marriage?Thanks
Michelle
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2 Apr 2009 00:14 |
David
1891 Continued...
1891 England Census about Patrick Marson Name: Patrick Marson Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Ireland Civil Parish: Horwich Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Town: Horwich County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: Bolton Sub registration district: Horwich ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Thomas Dwyer 24 Mary Dwyer 28 Joseph Dwyer 4 Francis Dwyer 2 Michael Flynn 28 Marten Hunt 19 Patrick Marson 21 Hugh Gallogher 26
1891 England Census about Hugh Gallogher Name: Hugh Gallogher Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Ireland Civil Parish: Horwich Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Town: Horwich County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: Bolton Sub registration district: Horwich ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Thomas Dwyer 24 Mary Dwyer 28 Joseph Dwyer 4 Francis Dwyer 2 Michael Flynn 28 Marten Hunt 19 Patrick Marson 21 Hugh Gallogher 26
writing is not good on this census...sorry David.
Thomas looks like Navvy and this is crossed though and Plate is written next to it. All the lodgers were the same occupation also.
The address again not good writing.Its definitely no 26 at a guess Taylor Street??
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1 Apr 2009 23:57 |
David
Here is the 1891
1891 England Census about Thomas Dwyer Name: Thomas Dwyer Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Ireland Civil Parish: Horwich Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Town: Horwich County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: Bolton Sub registration district: Horwich ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Thomas Dwyer 24 Mary Dwyer 28 Joseph Dwyer 4 Francis Dwyer 2 Michael Flynn 28 Marten Hunt 19 Patrick Marson 21 Hugh Gallogher 26
1891 England Census about Mary Dwyer Name: Mary Dwyer Age: 28 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Thomas Gender: Female Where born: Ireland Civil Parish: Horwich Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Town: Horwich County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: Bolton Sub registration district: Horwich ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Thomas Dwyer 24 Mary Dwyer 28 Joseph Dwyer 4 Francis Dwyer 2 Michael Flynn 28 Marten Hunt 19 Patrick Marson 21 Hugh Gallogher 26
1891 England Census about Joseph Dwyer Name: Joseph Dwyer Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887 Relation: Son Father's Name: Thomas Mother's Name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Ireland Civil Parish: Horwich Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Town: Horwich County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: Bolton Sub registration district: Horwich ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Thomas Dwyer 24 Mary Dwyer 28 Joseph Dwyer 4 Francis Dwyer 2 Michael Flynn 28 Marten Hunt 19 Patrick Marson 21 Hugh Gallogher 26
1891 England Census about Francis Dwyer Name: Francis Dwyer Age: 2 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889 Relation: Son Father's Name: Thomas Mother's Name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Lancaster, England Civil Parish: Horwich Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Town: Horwich County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: Bolton Sub registration district: Horwich ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Thomas Dwyer 24 Mary Dwyer 28 Joseph Dwyer 4 Francis Dwyer 2 Michael Flynn 28 Marten Hunt 19 Patrick Marson 21 Hugh Gallogher 26
1891 England Census about Michael Flynn Name: Michael Flynn Age: 28 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Ireland Civil Parish: Horwich Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Town: Horwich County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: Bolton Sub registration district: Horwich ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Thomas Dwyer 24 Mary Dwyer 28 Joseph Dwyer 4 Francis Dwyer 2 Michael Flynn 28 Marten Hunt 19 Patrick Marson 21 Hugh Gallogher 26
1891 England Census about Marten Hunt Name: Marten Hunt Age: 19 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Ireland Civil Parish: Horwich Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Town: Horwich County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: Bolton Sub registration district: Horwich ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Thomas Dwyer 24 Mary Dwyer 28 Joseph Dwyer 4 Francis Dwyer 2 Michael Flynn 28 Marten Hunt 19 Patrick Marson 21 Hugh Gallogher 26
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1 Apr 2009 23:51 |
Elaine
Have you checked the 1911 for them?Might be a good idea.As up to 1911 maiden names were not placed on birth records.
http://www.1911census.co.uk/
Also this is their marriage
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983 about Arthur William Fitton Name: Arthur William Fitton Year of Registration: 1909 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Oldham County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire Volume: 8d Page: 1197 (click to see others on page) Arthur William Fitton 1909 Oldham Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Sarah Ann Stott 1909 Oldham Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Looking at 1911-1915 no children showing with those 2 surnames.Do you know for certain her surname was Stott?Just wondered if it was mistranscribed?
There are 2 later birth records coming up for 1920 and 1925 but i have discounted them as their was a marriage in the same area as the 2 birth records in 1919 between a Fitton and Stott.I think the next step is to look at the 1911.
There is a death in the great war...maybe a poss??
UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919 about Arthur Fitton Name: Arthur Fitton Residence: Rochdale, Lancs Death Date: 21 Mar 1918 Rank: Private Regiment: Lancashire Fusiliers Battalion: 1/6th Battalion. Number: 241923 Type of Casualty: Killed in action Theater of War: Aldershot Well hope that has helped a little.
Michelle
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1 Apr 2009 23:01 |
Michelle
thanks for the sources, i'll check them out and yes could you please post the 1891 info you have as I seem to be drawing a blank except for the 1901 census
dave
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1 Apr 2009 15:17 |
David
I have the 1891 for the family if you require it?With regards to passenger lists i only have access to records of International incoming...ie Aus and USA,China etc and not for Ireland,sorry. Let me know re 1891.Try Inis he does Irish Lookups or at least used to?on the Records Office Board.Although i believe that Ireland was owned by England around this time and incoming did not have to be listed unless they were from foreign ports.
Useful sites to you
http://www.dwyerclan.com/Research_Centre.htm
http://genealogy.about.com/cs/ireland/a/irish_genealogy.htm
http://www.irishfamilyresearch.co.uk/
http://www.genuki.org.uk/
Best of luck to you.
Michelle
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1 Apr 2009 14:31 |
Hi Michelle, Wow, don't know how you find the time but if you could squeeze me in I would be really greatful. I am looking for William Frederick Witten married in 1843 to Eliza Burrey and living in Islington, his father is James and the Witten's are all from East London. Never seen it spelt any different but can't rule it out. I have looked but cannot find a record of James or William on any census, hoping you have better luck. Many thanks Maureen ps if it helps William worked as a clerk in the stock exchange and James was a carpenter. x
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1 Apr 2009 09:55 |
Julie
Found this possible for Jane Woodward,as birthyears on census records are often out this could be her!No luck with Shaw family sorry.Will take a look for William Gray.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- JANE WOODWARD Pedigree Female
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 31 MAY 1800 Christening: 13 JUL 1800 Saint Olave, York, Yorkshire, England Death: Burial:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: THOMAS WOODWARD Family Mother: ELIZABETH ATKINSON
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
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31 Mar 2009 19:28 |
Still waiting for my contact to get back to me re the Cutlers!!!! Trying to be very patient!!
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31 Mar 2009 18:33 |
Hi Michelle I was wondering if you could help, if possible to see if Arthur Fitton brn 1879 Oldham, and his wife Sarah Ann brn 1879 Oldham (m) 1909 Holy Trinty Shaw.... had any children .. it would be a great help if you could find any info on them.. thank you so much elainex
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