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Thank you so much for your kindness and help Michelle.

I have noted your advice and will do as soon as possible.

Thanks again,

Mardi.

Jill

You might find this interesting reading about the school the possible Elizabeth i found went to


The building of the South Metropolitan District School started in 1852 to educate poor children from Greenwich, Camberwell St Olave'
s (Southwark) and Woolwich., The original building bore the date 1853 but it was not completed for several years. It stood on the
about a mile south of the centre of Sutton on the west side of the railway line to Belmont and Banstead Downs where Sevenoaks Close
is now.

By modern standards it must have been a grim place although at the time it was considered well equipped and comfortable. Apart from
the school rooms there was a chapel, a room for play in wet weather, a large swimming pool and workshops where the boys learnt a
trade. A hospital and doctor's residence was added later.

The original building housed both boys and girls. A separate girls school was later added a short distance away on the opposite side
of the railway. A different system was followed when this built. Instead of one large barrack like block there were six self
contained blocks with its own kitchen and laundry, each designed for 100 girls, There was also and administrative block, a school
block and a large room used for religious purposes and lectures.

In the mid-1890s the school had about 1400-1500 pupils. Each boy had to chose a trade to lean, the main options being carpentry,
shoemaking, tailoring, painting, plumbing, bricklaying, baking or garden and farm work. The school had a band and several boys went
on to serve in army bands. The older boys assisted in cleaning the dormitories and day and school rooms in their school.

The girls were mostly trained to be domestic servants and they carried out the greater part of the general domestic work in their
areas.

The school was closed in 1902. After a brief period as a hospital and asylum the it became Belmont Workhouse in 1908

Jill

This may well be Lizzie (Elizabeth) Warner on the 1891

1891 England Census
about Elizth Warner
Name: Elizth Warner
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Gender: Female
Where born: Camberwell, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Sutton
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Sutton
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Epsom
Sub-registration district: Carshalton
ED, institution, or vessel: S M D School for Girls
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Clara Page 11
Janet Knight 15
Sophia Singleton 11
Maude Clarke 13
Daisy Grover 13
Amy Bradley 11
Beatrice Fallowes 12
Margt Mitchell 12
Marya Rhodes 13
Ethel Clarke 8
Ada L Woolfit 9
Amelia Hewson 9
Mabel Davey 9
Gertrude Ball 10
Kate Briston 11
Emily Harris 12
Lily Mead 10
Emily Spicer 10
Elizth Scarp 10
Louisa Twitchell 10
Ellen Shilling 9
Ann Poole 11
Lydia Hill 12
Rebecca Holton 13
Minnie Beattie 12
Louisa Barber 7
Gertrude Neosll 11
Ada Wood 10
Annie Southgate 12
Isabella Pope 12
Ada Jones 15
Henrietta Poole 9
Ellen Ruth 9
Jessie Snow 9
Daisy Chapman 9
Ethel Watson 9
Rose Myent 9
Ellen Davey 9
Rose Hatt 9
Minnie Decker 11
Violet Waples 9
Lilian Nott 12
Alice Blake 14
Jessie Mann 12
Kate Dale 12
Amy Arnold 10
Ada Barnes 13
Mary Rose 16
Florence Trigg 9
Ellen Wyman 9
Harriet Dawes 9
Lucy Barnes 14
Rose Cooper 9
Eliza Gamage 11
Amy Challenger 12
Minnie Roberts 12
Eleanor Wackett 13
Annie Harris 11
Elizth Walker 10
Elizth Warner 11

At a girls school in Sutton

Wow how busy are you, re the Warners... thanks for all the info once again it was so good telling my mum all this as she really has no info at all about her parents. Jill

Hi Michelle
I have just been on Ancestry and found a Roberts family tree that goes back as far as 1734. So thank you for your info it has been a great help. Now we just have to solve the Macquire mystery. Nichola

Hi Michelle
Sorry I also forgot to tell you the profession at time of marriage for Robert was listed as Fitter, his father Frederick was a Bricklayer. Flora was a domstic servant in residence. Nichola

Nichola

What was Robert's occupation on the marriage cert and also his father Fredericks?

Michelle

Nichola

George's marriage

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about George Kirkman Roberts
Name: George Kirkman Roberts
Year of Registration: 1897
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Farnham
County: Hampshire, Surrey, Sussex
Volume: 2a
Page: 238 (click to see others on page)

Name Year of Registration Spouse's Surname District County View Image Order Record
View Record
Emily Jasper 1897 Farnham Hampshire, Surrey, Sussex
View Record

George Kirkman Roberts 1897 Farnham Hampshire, Surrey, Sussex

I wonder if George father was not happy about Florence's choice of partner?maybe this is why George brother was listed?

Nichola

The 1911 shows George the father as a widowed Carpenter and the brother George Kirkman as a Soldier so yes looks like for some reason her brother is listed as the father on the marriage record??

Here is the info from the 1911

ROBERTS, GEORGE KIRKMAN HEAD MARRIED M 33 SOLDIER HOUNSLOW MIDDLESEX
ROBERTS, EMILY WIFE MARRIED 14 F 34 HOUSE KEEPER AT HOME DEVONPORT DEVON
ROBERTS, LUCY FLORENCE MAY DAUGHTER F 9 SCHOOL HOUNSLOW MIDDLESEX
ROBERTS, EMILY ELIZABETH DAUGHTER F 7 SCHOOL BATTERSEA LONDON SW
ROBERTS, FLORENCE ALICE DAUGHTER F 4 AT HOME HOUNSLOW MIDDX
ROBERTS, GEORGE KIRKMAN DAMARELL SON M 2 AT HOME HOUNSLOW MIDDX


Was obviously very close to his sister with all the Florence names in his children's names.

Here is the father on the 1911

ROBERTS, GEORGE HEAD WIDOWER 41 M 65 CARPENTER NOTTINGHAMSHIRE NOTTS

Nichola

Hi there!Yes i have worked on yours before quite a long time ago though. Sorry to hear you are still stuck on the brick wall.
May i ask you how you know the birthplaces for the couple if you cannot find them on the census records? I saw the Hounslow Florence you mentioned and it's tricky cos father's occupation at the time of 1901 doesn't match does it.
Are you certain also that Robert was born in England? Can you give anymore details?
Have you got the death certficate for Robert?what was his age at death?
I presume this is the Florence you have been looking at on 1901?

1901 England Census
about Florence A Roberts
Name: Florence A Roberts
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Hounslow, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Heston
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Isleworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 37
Household Members: Name Age
George Roberts 55
Elizabeth Roberts 53
George K Roberts 23
Florence A Roberts 19
Fanny L Roberts 15
Emily A Roberts 23




Michelle

Mardi

I know there were quite a few possible deaths between 1841-51 and i would say they are dead by the 1851. Only thing i can suggest is to get them 1 by 1, or maybe ring the records office and ask if their is any possibilty they could find the correct one. Also worth posting on the Records Office whether any kind person who lives in Coventry area could look for you when they are next at the records office.
Mary ann is a good possible but make sure to check all details when cert comes before adding her to your tree.
Hope info helps. Do you know where John marrried? i saw a marriage in 1815 in Coventry to an Elizabeth wondered if that was him?


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Marriage: 23 JAN 1815 Holy Trinity, Coventry, Warwick, England



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Michelle

Hi Michelle,

You are like greased lightening, so quick LOL

Given the deplorable slums at that time in Coventry, plus the epidemics of all kinds of terrible things and the short life span I can imagine that John and Elizabeth and maybe the eldest daughter Elizabeth ('41 aged 15) did die between the '41-'51 census.
In the 10 years between '41 and '51 I have found 9 deaths for a John Taylor and 6 deaths for an Elizabeth Taylor, which would send me to the 'Workhouse' if I bought all the certs.

What you have found on a Mary Ann Taylor is much more than what I have found, so I'm going to order her marriage cert, that way I'll know who her father was and I can follow it up, because I don't think that John and Elizabeth were her parents - just wish that the '41 census gave relationships !

Gosh I can't stand this message thingo, everytime I type something it dissapears and I can't see what I am typing !

I'm off to check out what you have found,

Mardi.

Mardi

Wonder if this is Anne Carver 1861??

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Anne Carver
Name: Anne Carver
Year of Registration: 1861
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Coventry
County: Warwickshire, West Midlands
Volume: 6d
Page: 2_7 (click to see others on page

Mardi

Found the daughter Louisa with her Uncle on the 1881

1881 England Census
about Louisa Carver
Name: Louisa Carver
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Coventry

Civil parish: Coventry Holy Trinity
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address: 33 Queen St
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Silk Weaver Ribbon

Registration district: Coventry
Sub-registration district: Holy Trinity
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Carver 60
Fanny Carver 59
Emma Carver 25
Amy R. Carver 22
Louisa Carver 21

This 1851 shows her father James with brother William and his wife Fanny

1851 England Census
about James Carver
Name: James Carver
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relation: Brother
Gender: Male
Where born: Coventry Wiphut

Civil parish: Coventry Holy Trinity
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Coventry
Sub-registration district: Holy Trinity
ED, institution, or vessel: 1s
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 69
Household Members: Name Age
Wm Carver 30
Fanny Carver 29
Emma Carver 4 Mo
James Carver 15
Hannah Landers 13

Jill

I will check back on them in a while. I did notice the missing child...she may have died or possibly elsewhere?

Michelle

Mardi

1861 continued...

1861 England Census
about Louisa Carver
Name: Louisa Carver
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Coventry, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Coventry Holy Trinity
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Coventry
Sub-registration district: Holy Trinity
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 31
Household Members: Name Age
George White 36
Hannah White 28
Frank White 2
James Carver 24
Mary A Carver 24
Louisa Carver 2
Anne Carver 1 Mo

1861 England Census
about Anne Carver
Name: Anne Carver
Age: 1 Mo
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation: Visitor
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Coventry Holy Trinity
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Coventry
Sub-registration district: Holy Trinity
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 31
Household Members: Name Age
George White 36
Hannah White 28
Frank White 2
James Carver 24
Mary A Carver 24
Louisa Carver 2
Anne Carver 1 Mo

George Hannah James and Mary Ann Silk Ribbon Weaver's

I found a possible death for the couple??

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about James Carver
Name: James Carver
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Year of Registration: 1870
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 34
District: Coventry
County: Warwickshire, West Midlands
Volume: 6d
Page: 272 (click to see others on page)

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Mary Ann Carver
Name: Mary Ann Carver
Year of Registration: 1861
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Coventry
County: Warwickshire, West Midlands
Volume: 6d
Page: 233 (click to see others on page)

Will check the 1871 and 1881 again just to be certain. Like you say though so many Taylor's but this looks like a good possible.
My gut feeling is the parents John and Elizabeth died before the 1851 and did see a few possible death records for them between 1841-51

Michelle

Mardi

I wondered about this 1 for Mary Ann Taylor??

Name Year of Registration Spouse's Surname District County View Image Order Record
View Record
James Carver 1856 Coventry Warwickshire, West Midlands
View Record

Mary Ann Taylor 1856 Coventry Warwickshire, West Midlands

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Mary Ann Taylor
Name: Mary Ann Taylor
Year of Registration: 1856
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Coventry
County: Warwickshire, West Midlands
Volume: 6d
Page: 617 (click to see others on page)

1861 England Census
about George White
Name: George White
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1825
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Hannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Foleshill, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Coventry Holy Trinity
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Coventry
Sub-registration district: Holy Trinity
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 31
Household Members: Name Age
George White 36
Hannah White 28
Frank White 2
James Carver 24
Mary A Carver 24
Louisa Carver 2
Anne Carver 1 Mo

1861 England Census
about Hannah White
Name: Hannah White
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: George
Gender: Female
Where born: Foleshill, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Coventry Holy Trinity
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Coventry
Sub-registration district: Holy Trinity
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 31
Household Members: Name Age
George White 36
Hannah White 28
Frank White 2
James Carver 24
Mary A Carver 24
Louisa Carver 2
Anne Carver 1 Mo

1861 England Census
about Frank White
Name: Frank White
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Hannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Coventry, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Coventry Holy Trinity
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Coventry
Sub-registration district: Holy Trinity
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 31
Household Members: Name Age
George White 36
Hannah White 28
Frank White 2
James Carver 24
Mary A Carver 24
Louisa Carver 2
Anne Carver 1 Mo

1861 England Census
about James Carver
Name: James Carver
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Coventry, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Coventry Holy Trinity
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Coventry
Sub-registration district: Holy Trinity
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 31
Household Members: Name Age
George White 36
Hannah White 28
Frank White 2
James Carver 24
Mary A Carver 24
Louisa Carver 2
Anne Carver 1 Mo

1861 England Census
about Mary A Carver
Name: Mary A Carver
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Coventry, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Coventry Holy Trinity
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Coventry
Sub-registration district: Holy Trinity
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 31
Household Members: Name Age
George White 36
Hannah White 28
Frank White 2
James Carver 24
Mary A Carver 24
Louisa Carver 2
Anne Carver 1 Mo

Will continue

Hi You have found Lizzie Warner age 2 in the 1881 census, When Louise and George Warner were aged 33 but she doesnt appear in the 1891 census, when Louisa was now a widow. I wonder if George and Lizzie died at the same time or is this a different family??

Regards Jill

Hi Michelle Thank you so much for the info it looks good, I have the age wrong Thomas was 20 at marriage it looked like a 26. The address at marriage was 26 Griggs Road i expect thats Leyton London or Essex as it was then. Kind regards Jill

Michelle, Sorry for the delay in answering - it's 8Am here in Oz..

There was -

John, 1818, Leamington Priors, Married Jane Swain.
William, 1820, Leamington Priors,.Married Eliza.
Elizabeth, 1823, Leamington Priors.
Thomas, 1824 Leamington Priors.

Taylor is such an awful name to research, thousands of them, so I have never been able to find any other children that could have been born in Coventry.

On the '51 census there is a John with a daughter Elizabeth, right age, Holy Trinity, but he is a weaver and he is on other census' so definately the wrong John.

Mardi.