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Kim

Interesting you mentioned Brighton cos there is a birth in Steyning which is hear Brighton

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about Arthur Henry Hammond
Name: Arthur Henry Hammond
Year of Registration: 1880
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Steyning
County: Sussex
Volume: 2b
Page: 335 (click to see others on page)

Hi Michelle
Yes I did think that maybe he was already married before and possible never married Daisy although on his death cert it states her as Hammond and also on Eileens birth cert it states her as Hammond nee Eustace. I have Diasy's family back quite a way and Eileen said that her dad was a lot older than her mum possible 12 - 14 years older.
She thinks she remembers that he was in the navy but cannot remember anything about his mum or dad which again makes me wonder if he went off with Daisy if they had nothing to do with him.
Daisy was born in 1892 to Lawrence Eustace and Emily she had brothers Roland, Bernard and Kyrle and Sisters we think Eileen and Iris.

I have got back to 1801 to Thomas Eustace on that side of the family but just totally stuck with Arthur.

Eileen did mention today when I spoke to her that when her father died her sister said that they received a letter from the Brighton area but not sure if thats connected, I will probable have to wait until the 1911 census and see if I can pick him up there but dont hold much hope.

I live in Spain so its difficult to actually go and look at parish records etc.

Thanks for your help in looking for me but I think its probably a brick wall !!!!!

King Regards
Kim

Kim

The fact that Arthur was born 1881 makes me think he must have been married before?No children till 1922???Means maybe that Daisy was younger than Arthur.Have you a birthyear for her?have noticed a couple of possibles for her on the census records.Also for Arthur shame there is no other info?I will take a further look and let me know what you have on Daisy.As yet no marriage showing.
The occupation you listed when was he known to be doing this?

Michelle
Many thanks for that,was there no luck with John Viccars 1891 & 1901 census?Also William Lovell 1891 census.Sounds as if you have come across the Lovells before!
Louise

Thanks michelle
Thats brillant thats filled another gap for me.. I no what youmean my grt gran was born shaw 1888 so in those days the boarders of lancashire /yorkshire got called all different areas and names , just to confuse you even more.. but thank you once again for finding the info for me. best wishes
elainex

Hi Michelle this was the origninal question and I have just realised I have missed one of the children off Jean 1932 hope it makes sense, I have to go to work now but will be back at around 6 so will have a check then

Thanks for all your help
Regards Kim


5th November 2008 09:37
Hi Michelle

I am trying to trace a Arthur Henry Hammond
born c 1881 died 1935 aged 54
He married (or didnt as I cant find marriage cert) Daisy Dorothy Eustace and they had 5 children Kathleen, Olive, Eileen, Leslie and Sylvia.
Arthur is my mother in laws father but she was only 9 when he died and does not know anything about him other then they lived in Essex and he worked in London as an Antiques Warehouseman.
Any help would be appreciated

Thanks for your time
Regards Kim Ross

Kim

Can you refresh my memory what you needed please and where they came from?

Thanks

Michelle

John

Glad you found it John i have had alot of tech problems with the site i use-BMD's on the index have been not showing and i have emailed them.

Michelle

Michelle

I am so sorry not replied before my computer went down and have just got it back,
With regard to Arthur Hammond and Daisy Dorothy Eustace children as follows
Kathleen or Kit 1922
Olive 1924
Eileen 1926
Leslie 1928
Jean 1932
Sylvia 1934

Thanks and sorry again for delay in replying
Regards Kim

Just to let you know We have found Thomas's death O/N/D 1974 in Pontypridd. Deb and John.

Elaine

This could be a poss

Baptism: 16 Mar 1817 Shaw Chapel, Oldham, Lancashire, England
Robert Fitton - Son of Edmund Fitton & Betty
Abode: Lennerden Cross
Occupation: Weaver
Baptised by: Joseph Horden Curate of Shaw
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1828, Page 63, Entry 501

Shaw and Crompton are situated on the Lancashire Yorkshire border, Currently the locals refer to the area as Shaw in contrast to former times when it was generally known as Crompton . At one time going to Shaw was synonymous with going to church as there was not much else there.

Hi Michelle, yes you may be right, he may be in the Boar war, many thanks for all of your help to night, I have learnt a lot...thank you...Lilly

Hi michelle
can you tell me how i can go about finding parents for Robert Fitton brn 1816 in crompton any ideas?
regards
elaine

Lilly

The 1901 no sign of Robert so far if he was in the army he may well have been away at the Boar War which was around the turn of the century.Will take another look though.

Michelle

Hi Michelle, this all seems to be fitting in nicely, have you managed to find robert in the 1901, have checked my records and robert was in the army from 1894 to 1904, but he deserted !!!!!!! 1902 to 1904, so he recieved no pay for that time, so his records say. lol

Lilly

Robert was with his Grandmother who had remarried to Robert Chapman

Robert Brook Chapman 1880 Wangford Suffolk
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Rachael Sampson 1880 Wangford Suffolk

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about Robert Brook Chapman
Name: Robert Brook Chapman
Year of Registration: 1880
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Wangford
County: Suffolk
Volume: 4a
Page: 1065 (click to see others on page)

Hi Michelle, no, I received Roberts and James today, and neither Robert or James father was listed on their birth cerf, only mum, grrrrr got a feeling that Robert was in the Army in 1901, or there abouts....Lilly

Lilly

A little strange that Robert is not on the 1881 with the family??Here is James

1881 England Census
about James Chatten
Name: James Chatten
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles (Jnr)
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Bungay, Suffolk, England

Civil Parish: Bungay Holy Trinity
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street address: Gas House Lane
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Wangford
Sub registration district: Bungay
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age


Charles (Jnr) Chatten 29
James Chatten 3
Mary Ann Chatten 22
Sarah Chatten

You mentioned you had the birth cert?didn't list the father of Robert on the cert?

Lily

This looks like a poss 1891 of Robert with Grandparents.

1891 England Census
about Robert B Chapman
Name: Robert B Chapman
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Rachael
Gender: Male
Where born: March, Lincolnshire, England

Civil Parish: St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Bungay
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Wangford
Sub registration district: Bungay
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Rachael Chapman 48
Robert B Chapman 37
Robert Sampson 15

1891 England Census
about Rachael Chapman
Name: Rachael Chapman
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Robert B
Gender: Female
Where born: St James; South Elmham, Suffolk, England

Civil Parish: St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Bungay
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Wangford
Sub registration district: Bungay
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Rachael Chapman 48
Robert B Chapman 37
Robert Sampson 15

1891 England Census
about Robert Sampson
Name: Robert Sampson
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Bungay, Suffolk, England

Civil Parish: St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Bungay
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Wangford
Sub registration district: Bungay
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Rachael Chapman 48
Robert B Chapman 37
Robert Sampson 15

Robert a Plate Layer
Robert a Labourer

Address Nethergate Street

Anthony

1901 Census

1901 England Census
about Annie Graham
Name: Annie Graham
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Smith
Mother's Name: Martha
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland

Civil Parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub registration district: Peckham
ED, institution, or vessel: 43
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 412
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Douglas 22
Annie Graham 12
Elizabeth Graham 4
Ellen Graham 2
Martha Graham 45
Martha Graham 8
Robert S Graham 18
Smith Graham 45
William M Graham 23

1901 England Census
about Elizabeth Graham
Name: Elizabeth Graham
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Smith
Mother's Name: Martha
Gender: Female
Where born: Camberwell, London, England

Civil Parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub registration district: Peckham
ED, institution, or vessel: 43
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 412
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Douglas 22
Annie Graham 12
Elizabeth Graham 4
Ellen Graham 2
Martha Graham 45
Martha Graham 8
Robert S Graham 18
Smith Graham 45
William M Graham 23

1901 England Census
about Ellen Graham
Name: Ellen Graham
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1899
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Smith
Mother's Name: Martha
Gender: Female
Where born: Fulham, London, England

Civil Parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub registration district: Peckham
ED, institution, or vessel: 43
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 412
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Douglas 22
Annie Graham 12
Elizabeth Graham 4
Ellen Graham 2
Martha Graham 45
Martha Graham 8
Robert S Graham 18
Smith Graham 45
William M Graham 23

1901 England Census
about Samuel Douglas
Name: Samuel Douglas
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil Parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub registration district: Peckham
ED, institution, or vessel: 43
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 412
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Douglas 22
Annie Graham 12
Elizabeth Graham 4
Ellen Graham 2
Martha Graham 45
Martha Graham 8
Robert S Graham 18
Smith Graham 45

Smith a Tram Driver
William a Tram Conductor
Robert a Stableman
Samuel a Stableman

Address 9a Staveley Rd

Good looking at the births of the younger children they were born in Ireland so looks like Martha was in Ireland and maybe Smith was between the 2 countries?

***Michelle***