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Dusty

Did she lie about her father's name on the marriage certs?

Have you obtained this cert yet?
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about Elizabeth Smith
Name: Elizabeth Smith
Year of Registration: 1902
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Hackney
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 530 (click to see others on page)

is the right quarter and year.

HI MICHELLE, THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR REPLY, NO I DO NOT KNOW IF THEY ARE THE RIGHT TWINS BUT THERE CANNOT BE MANY SMITH TWINS IN THAT AREA WITH ONE CALLED GEORGE, I DO HAVE HERE MARRIAGE CERT TWO IN FACT FIRST HUSBAND AND MY GRANDFATHER'S CERT SHE LIED ABOUT AGE AND FATHER, ALL I CAN GO ON IS MY UNCLE REGESTERED THE DEATH OF MY NAN AND PUT HER AGE DOWN AS, BEING BORN IN 1902 AND FROM OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS THEY GAVE ME 19th or 20th FEB
THANKS FOR YOUR HELP ONCE AGAIN
DUSTY

Leighton

Its mainly census info i have Leighton so what did you need?Have you the son's birth record or his brother's?did you want these?or census info on the parents?
I have no Electoral Roll info if that is what you needed?

Also can i have birthyears for Evan and David please?

Hi Michelle thanks for your help again, much appreciated.

Wendy

Wendy

He married Elizabeth

1901 England Census
about Jatez Eben Leonard
Name: Jatez Eben Leonard
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Luton, Bedfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Luton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Luton
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Luton
Sub registration district: Luton
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 192
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Leonard 48
Jatez Eben Leonard 39

1901 England Census
about Elizabeth Leonard
Name: Elizabeth Leonard
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Jatez Eben
Gender: Female
Where born: Bendish, Bedfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Luton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Luton
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Luton
Sub registration district: Luton
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 192
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Leonard 48
Jatez Eben Leonard 39

Jabez a Tool Fitter
Elizabeth a Straw Hat ? couldn't read the 3rd word.

Address 126 Langley Street

Wendy

He married

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about Jabez Ebenezer Leonard
Name: Jabez Ebenezer Leonard
Year of Registration: 1893
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Luton
County: Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 874 (click to see others on page)

Record Name Year of Registration Spouse's Surname District County View Image Order Record
View Record
Louisa Anderson 1893 Luton Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire
View Record
Ellen Eliza Chandler 1893 Cambridge (1837-1935) Cambridgeshire
View Record
Arthur Foxen 1893 Luton Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire
View Record
Elizabeth Ketcher 1893 Luton Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire
View Record
Jabez Ebenezer Leonard 1893 Luton Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire

Will take a look at 1901 to see if i can see who he married.

Anthony

Just for your ref the 1841 there was Joseph and Sarah and children here is the 1851


1851 England Census
about Joseph Perry
Name: Joseph Perry
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1810
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Brewood, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Brewood
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Penkridge
Sub registration district: Penkridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 4g
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 21
Household Members: Name Age
Eliza Perry 13
Emma Perry 6
Henry Perry 11
Joseph Perry 41
Joseph T Perry 7 Mo
Mary Perry 8
Sarah Perry 38

Joseph a Machine Maker


Living at Horsebrook

Anthony

Only Henry showing around 1795 in Staffs is this 1

1841 England Census
about Henry Perry
Name: Henry Perry
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791
Gender: Male
Where born: Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Wolverhampton
Hundred: North Seisdon and East Cuttlestone and South Offlow
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub registration district: Wolverhampton Western
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Perry 50
Sarah Perry 35

1841 England Census
about Sarah Perry
Name: Sarah Perry
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Gender: Female

Civil Parish: Wolverhampton
Hundred: North Seisdon and East Cuttlestone and South Offlow
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub registration district: Wolverhampton Western
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Perry 50
Sarah Perry 35

Henry a Brewer

Address Temple Street

2 Thomas Perry's showing on the 1841

1841 England Census
about Thomas Perry
Name: Thomas Perry
Age: 76
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1765
Gender: Male
Where born: Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Wolverhampton
Hundred: North Seisdon and East Cuttlestone and South Offlow
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub registration district: Wolverhampton Western
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Perry 76
John Price 29
Ann Paulton 50
Elizabeth Handford 15
Helen Heckman 14

Thomas Ind

Address Cock Street

and this 1

1841 England Census
about Thomas Perry
Name: Thomas Perry
Age: 75
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1766
Gender: Male
Where born: Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Wolverhampton
Hundred: North Seisdon and East Cuttlestone and South Offlow
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub registration district: Wolverhampton Eastern
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Barnsley 45
Thomas Perry 75
John Barnsley 9
Ann Pool 45
Henry Hollis 25
George Robinson 20

Address North Street can't make occupation out

Anthony

1841 Continued....

1841 England Census
about Henry Perry
Name: Henry Perry
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Gender: Male
Where born: Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Brewood
Hundred: East Cuttlestone
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Penkridge
Sub registration district: Brewood
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Perry 55
Sophia Perry 40
Joseph Perry 30
Sarah Perry 25
Sophia Perry 6
Thomas Perry 4
Eliza Perry 3
Henry Perry 2


Joseph a Machine Maker


Closest match for Sarah on the 1851 is this 1

1851 England Census
about Sarah Perry
Name: Sarah Perry
Age: 70
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1781
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Brewood, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Wolverhampton
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub registration district: Wolverhampton Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 1h
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 48
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Bate 35
Charles Bate 15
Emma Bate 32
Emma Bate 5
Henry Bate 5 Mo
James Bate 12
Jesse Bate 7
John Bate 10
Sarah Perry 70


Sarah looks like Laundress

Address visiting is Union Mill Rd

Head of this house and his wife are:


1851 England Census
about Charles Bate
Name: Charles Bate
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma
Gender: Male
Where born: Brewood, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Wolverhampton
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub registration district: Wolverhampton Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 1h
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 48
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Bate 35
Charles Bate 15
Emma Bate 32
Emma Bate 5
Henry Bate 5 Mo
James Bate 12
Jesse Bate 7
John Bate 10
Sarah Perry 70

1851 England Census
about Emma Bate
Name: Emma Bate
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Charles
Gender: Female
Where born: Brewood, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Wolverhampton
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub registration district: Wolverhampton Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 1h
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 48
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Bate 35
Charles Bate 15
Emma Bate 32
Emma Bate 5
Henry Bate 5 Mo
James Bate 12
Jesse Bate 7
John Bate 10
Sarah Perry 70

Charles a Cordwainer employing 1 man

That is just great! Very many thanks.

In that same area Brewood Staffs, do either Sarah's father Thomas baptised in 1764 or her brother Henry bap. 1795 show up at all? Both were baptised in Brewood, and I think born there too.

Anthony

Anthony

1841 England Census
about Sarah Perry
Name: Sarah Perry
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1786
Gender: Female
Where born: Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Brewood
Hundred: East Cuttlestone
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Penkridge
Sub registration district: Brewood
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Perry 55
Sophia Perry 40
Joseph Perry 30
Sarah Perry 25
Sophia Perry 6
Thomas Perry 4
Eliza Perry 3
Henry Perry 2

1841 England Census
about Sophia Perry
Name: Sophia Perry
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Gender: Female
Where born: Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Brewood
Hundred: East Cuttlestone
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Penkridge
Sub registration district: Brewood
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Perry 55
Sophia Perry 40
Joseph Perry 30
Sarah Perry 25
Sophia Perry 6
Thomas Perry 4
Eliza Perry 3
Henry Perry 2

1841 England Census
about Joseph Perry
Name: Joseph Perry
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Gender: Male
Where born: Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Brewood
Hundred: East Cuttlestone
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Penkridge
Sub registration district: Brewood
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Perry 55
Sophia Perry 40
Joseph Perry 30
Sarah Perry 25
Sophia Perry 6
Thomas Perry 4
Eliza Perry 3
Henry Perry 2

1841 England Census
about Sarah Perry
Name: Sarah Perry
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Gender: Female
Where born: Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Brewood
Hundred: East Cuttlestone
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Penkridge
Sub registration district: Brewood
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Perry 55
Sophia Perry 40
Joseph Perry 30
Sarah Perry 25
Sophia Perry 6
Thomas Perry 4
Eliza Perry 3
Henry Perry 2

1841 England Census
about Sophia Perry
Name: Sophia Perry
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Gender: Female
Where born: Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Brewood
Hundred: East Cuttlestone
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Penkridge
Sub registration district: Brewood
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Perry 55
Sophia Perry 40
Joseph Perry 30
Sarah Perry 25
Sophia Perry 6
Thomas Perry 4
Eliza Perry 3
Henry Perry 2

1841 England Census
about Thomas Perry
Name: Thomas Perry
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Gender: Male
Where born: Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Brewood
Hundred: East Cuttlestone
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Penkridge
Sub registration district: Brewood
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Perry 55
Sophia Perry 40
Joseph Perry 30
Sarah Perry 25
Sophia Perry 6
Thomas Perry 4
Eliza Perry 3
Henry Perry 2

1841 England Census
about Eliza Perry
Name: Eliza Perry
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Gender: Female
Where born: Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Brewood
Hundred: East Cuttlestone
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Penkridge
Sub registration district: Brewood
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Perry 55
Sophia Perry 40
Joseph Perry 30
Sarah Perry 25
Sophia Perry 6
Thomas Perry 4
Eliza Perry 3
Henry Perry 2

Continued....

Her christening was 1785 -1786, and I am pretty sure she was born in Brewood Staffs.or nearby

Anthony

Anthony

Have you a birthyear for Sarah please?also was she born in Staffs?

***Michelle***

Hi Michelle would you kindly do a look up in 1901 for me please.

Jabez Leonard born 1861 Luton, not with parents in this census.

Many thanks

Wendy

Hi Michelle,

I've come to a Halt.

Can you please look up Evan James Griffiths parents and his brother David Walter Griffiths, Evan was born in Llanelli and married twice, 1st marriage he had 4 girls and on the 2nd marriage he had 3 boys on the 2nd marriage he wed Phillis Eileen Griffiths who was born on the 2nd Oct 1913, he had 2 brother's David Walter Griffiths who died at Rock cottage in burry port, Llanelli and Edmund Griffiths who went into the army.

Their Parents names are James and Margaret Griffiths, James Died on the 23/02/1935@ the age of 66yrs and Margaret died on the 27/09/1934 @ the age of 60yrs. Edmund died on 27/4/1960 and Evan James died on the 15/11/1963 @ the age of 54,
I hope there is enough info,

Thanks

Hi Michelle,

Can you look up a 1841 census record for me please? It concerns a Sarah Perry and her (apparently complicated ) household. She was living in Brewood, Staffs then. If you have the 1851 available too that would be great, but I think that the 1841 is very 'busy'.

Many thanks

Anthony.

Hi Michelle
hope your feeling better today . John and Ellen semed to stay in Nuneaton area .As i now know from his death he was in Arley ,33 Hilltop which were either farm cottages or mining as thats what family did .i know Mary Flowers the daughter also there .Its just a feeling that John George ,James thomas were in the same area .They would have been in their 40s in 1923 when John died .William i know was in Polesworth 1915 working at the mine but i wonder if he returned there in 1918 when discharged after 3 years in the Army .Both villages are near Nuneaton i think.Also Edden Smith another son was there in 1917 when one of my Aunties was born but did not stay there he went to Nuneaton by about 1922 although he left my gran and went somewhere but no one knows where .He died 1957 in High View Hospital Exhall .Does this help .John and Ellen were in 1901 in Attleborough but nothing after so think they may have gone Polesworth or Arley.
Mags

Dusty

Sadly Smith surname is always a tricky 1.1 thing i was unclear of from your message-was the John and George you found def the right 1's?Cos if they are here is the parents marriage which was in Hackney district

Jessie Mann 1901 Hackney Greater London, London, Middlesex
View Record

William Amos Smith 1901 Hackney Greater London, London, Middlesex

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about Jessie Mann
Name: Jessie Mann
Year of Registration: 1901
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Hackney
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 785 (click to see others on page)

Have you tried for this 1?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about Elizabeth Smith
Name: Elizabeth Smith
Year of Registration: 1902
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Hackney
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 530 (click to see others on page)

If you are sure of the parents being William and Jessie might be worth getting GRO to do a search against those parents names for Elizabeth born around 1902.They do sometimes do this.Least then you will know whether these parents are the right 1's.Also applying for your Nans marriage cert would give her father's name so that's another option.

***Michelle***

HI MICHELLE,
I AM LOOKING FOR MY NANS RECORDS ( ELIZABETH SMITH), I KNOW SHE WAS BORN 19 OR 20th FEB I THINK 1902.
SHE LIVED ALL HER LIFE IN CUSTOM HOUSE LONDON. I ALSO KNOW SHE HAD TWIN BROTHERS JOCK AND GEORGE ( JOCK NOT BEING HIS REAL NAME) WHO WERE BOTH YOUNGER THAN HER.
I HAVE PURCHASED MANY CERTS BUT WITH NO LUCK. THE LAST ONE SHOULD ARRIVE THIS WEEKEND
I FOUND CERTS FOR TWIN BROTHERS JOHN AND GEORGE, WITH FATHER WILLIAM AMOS SMITH AND MOTHER JESSIE MANN.
BECAUSE OF BEING AFTER THE 1901 CENCUS HOW CAN I CARRY THIS ANLONG IF THE CERT THIS WEEKEND IS NOT THE RIGHT ONE.
I WILL BE GOING OUT SHORTLY BUT WILL BE BACK TOMORROW NIGHT IN CASE YOU DO NOT GET A REPLY. ANY SUGGESTIONS WOULD BE GREAT AS I HAVE GOT TO THE END OF THE ROAD I THINK.
DUSTY

Thanks Michelle
Just found that as well.

Alan