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Anthony

I wonder if viewing all finding info on the 1836 marriage of Emma may give clues?

Maybe an idea to contact the records office at Staffs they should hold the records for Brewood and should have the marriage,you have the date of the marriage and the name of her spose.They may hold extra info on witnesses?

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Anthony

There are a few Thomas Perry's showing on the death records before 1841 so will be hard to know the exact 1.

Anthony

Hi there,well can see we have a tricky choice to make.I have had a look on the site i use at the trees to see if Emma Perry 1819 is on any and she was.The parents are listed as Sarah 1786 and Thomas 1770-Thomas listed as Brewood also and also listed is he died before 1841.No deathyear listed for Sarah.
The 3 children listed for the couple are Sophia 1801-c1871 and Joseph 1811 and Emma 1819.

As you mentioned here is Emma's marriage

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EMMA PERRY Pedigree
Female Family


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Marriages:
Spouse: CHARLES BATES Family
Marriage: 04 DEC 1836 Brewood, Stafford, England



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Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

and as you rightly said her christening record with just Sarah on it

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EMMA PERRY Pedigree
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 18 JUN 1819 Saint Mary, Brewood, Stafford, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Mother: SARAH PERRY Family


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Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date

As you also mentioned there was a Heber and Sarah Perry who had alot of children in Brewood around the same time as Emma.

Also found this which was interesting as Emma married a Charles in 1836-earlier in the year a child born to your poss Emma?

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CHARLES PERRY Pedigree
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 06 MAR 1836 Saint Mary, Brewood, Stafford, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Mother: EMMA PERRY Family


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Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.


Looking at Sophia only 1 i could see with father Thomas was this 1 with mother Mary

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SOPHIA PERRY Pedigree
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 20 AUG 1799 Saint Mary, Brewood, Stafford, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: THOMAS PERRY Family
Mother: MARY


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Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.


Will look for more and work further on this.

Hi Michelle,

All the Sarah's …. I hope that the census data can help with the following. With all the Perry's in the Brewood area around 1800, there is some confusion about marriages, etc. I have a number of Sarah's:
- The Sarah Perry you found born about 1786 in Brewood, listed with a daughter of the same name who was born about 1616. This seems to have been her only child. As far as I can make out, this was an illegitimate birth because I can find no trace of a marriage or a father's name. The Sophia born about 1801 (actually I think in 1799) and listed on that same 1841 census list was a younger sister of this Sarah; Sophia married Joseph Bradshaw in 1842.

So far so good

- A second Sarah was born in the area at about the same time 1786 but married Joseph Perry born about 1770. They had a number of children including a Joseph born in 1811 who married a Sarah born 1816 (I think this might be the Sarah from above, so we would have two unrelated Perry's getting married).

- A third Sarah (maiden name unknown) born around the same time married Heber Perry (or Eber - not exactly a common name either way) who, I think, was from Blymhill Staffs. This would be an unrelated, or not closely related, Perry group.

The extra interest in all this is an Emma Perry born 1819, and given as daughter of a Sarah in IGI (no father's name), but is presumably one of the above three. Emma married Charles Bate in 1836. They had quite a large family, as you list from the 1851 census. The Sarah Perry listed would then be the grandmother, i.e. one of those three Sarahs.

Any ideas on this?

Anthony

Thanks so much, Michelle. Her b cert gives mother but father unknown. Believe her mother was born Montgomery. Since Jane and my grandfather were married in the local church, I had assumed she must have been baptised at some point. What a shame that illegitimacy was so frowned on in days gone by, only after my mother's death did I learn of this fact. You really are doing a great job there. Thanks so much. Mavis.

hi the work you did for has come out on top i may even have a poss of marriage for sarah and george 1838 to 39 only one i cant fit any thing to is james and now may even have marriage for louisa 1864 so you have more than done a good job and i am so pleased with the out come and i will send for on birth so i can find the maiden name of sarah yours lesley

Hi Michelle,
That's brilliant. Thankyou very much for your help.
Regards
Mary

Mary

1901 England Census
about Frederick Peerce
Name: Frederick Peerce
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Lee
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Hackney, London, England

Civil Parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: All Souls Clapton
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Hackney
Sub registration district: Central Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 314
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Peerce 13
Ethel Peerce 2
Florence Peerce 7
Frederick Peerce 11
Robert Peerce 8 months
Sarah Peerce 38
Sarah Charlotte Peerce 19
Thomas Peerce 15
Thomas Lee Peerce 38

1901 England Census
about Florence Peerce
Name: Florence Peerce
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Lee
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Female
Where born: Hackney, London, England

Civil Parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: All Souls Clapton
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Hackney
Sub registration district: Central Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 314
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Peerce 13
Ethel Peerce 2
Florence Peerce 7
Frederick Peerce 11
Robert Peerce 8 months
Sarah Peerce 38
Sarah Charlotte Peerce 19
Thomas Peerce 15
Thomas Lee Peerce 38

1901 England Census
about Ethel Peerce
Name: Ethel Peerce
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1899
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Lee
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Female
Where born: Hackney, London, England

Civil Parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: All Souls Clapton
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Hackney
Sub registration district: Central Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 314
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Peerce 13
Ethel Peerce 2
Florence Peerce 7
Frederick Peerce 11
Robert Peerce 8 months
Sarah Peerce 38
Sarah Charlotte Peerce 19
Thomas Peerce 15
Thomas Lee Peerce 38

1901 England Census
about Robert Peerce
Name: Robert Peerce
Age: 8 months
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Lee
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Hackney, London, England

Civil Parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: All Souls Clapton
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Hackney
Sub registration district: Central Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 314
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Peerce 13
Ethel Peerce 2
Florence Peerce 7
Frederick Peerce 11
Robert Peerce 8 months
Sarah Peerce 38
Sarah Charlotte Peerce 19
Thomas Peerce 15
Thomas Lee Peerce 38

Thomas's surname spelt clearly with an i the image
was a Tailor's Cutter
Thomas a Tailor's Apprentice
Charles a Errand Boy

Address looks like 10 Etropol Road

Mary

Here is the 1901 you requested with mistranscription of surname

1901 England Census
about Thomas Lee Peerce
Name: Thomas Lee Peerce
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Hackney, London, England

Civil Parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: All Souls Clapton
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Hackney
Sub registration district: Central Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 314
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Peerce 13
Ethel Peerce 2
Florence Peerce 7
Frederick Peerce 11
Robert Peerce 8 months
Sarah Peerce 38
Sarah Charlotte Peerce 19
Thomas Peerce 15
Thomas Lee Peerce 38

1901 England Census
about Sarah Peerce
Name: Sarah Peerce
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas Lee
Gender: Female
Where born: Hackney, London, England

Civil Parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: All Souls Clapton
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Hackney
Sub registration district: Central Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 314
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Peerce 13
Ethel Peerce 2
Florence Peerce 7
Frederick Peerce 11
Robert Peerce 8 months
Sarah Peerce 38
Sarah Charlotte Peerce 19
Thomas Peerce 15
Thomas Lee Peerce 38

1901 England Census
about Sarah Charlotte Peerce
Name: Sarah Charlotte Peerce
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Lee
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Female
Where born: Hackney, London, England

Civil Parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: All Souls Clapton
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Hackney
Sub registration district: Central Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 314
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Peerce 13
Ethel Peerce 2
Florence Peerce 7
Frederick Peerce 11
Robert Peerce 8 months
Sarah Peerce 38
Sarah Charlotte Peerce 19
Thomas Peerce 15
Thomas Lee Peerce 38

1901 England Census
about Thomas Peerce
Name: Thomas Peerce
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Lee
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Hackney, London, England

Civil Parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: All Souls Clapton
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Hackney
Sub registration district: Central Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 314
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Peerce 13
Ethel Peerce 2
Florence Peerce 7
Frederick Peerce 11
Robert Peerce 8 months
Sarah Peerce 38
Sarah Charlotte Peerce 19
Thomas Peerce 15
Thomas Lee Peerce 38

1901 England Census
about Charles Peerce
Name: Charles Peerce
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Lee
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Hackney, London, England

Civil Parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: All Souls Clapton
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Hackney
Sub registration district: Central Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 314
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Peerce 13
Ethel Peerce 2
Florence Peerce 7
Frederick Peerce 11
Robert Peerce 8 months
Sarah Peerce 38
Sarah Charlotte Peerce 19
Thomas Peerce 15
Thomas Lee Peerce 38

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Hi Michelle,
Could you look up this family on the 1901 census please.
Thomas Lee Pierce b.1863 Hackney
Sarah Charlotte Pierce b. 1863 Hackney (wife)
Sarah Charlotte Pierce b. 1883 Hackney
Thomas Pierce b. 1885 Hackney
Charles Pierce b. 1887 Hackney
Frederick Pierce b. 1889 Hackney
Many thanks
Regards
Mary

Mavis

Hi and welcome to Genes.I'm sorry i do not have her baptisim(if she was baptised?),if you send for her birth record that will show you where she was born and also her mother's name and whether a father was named.
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about Jane Catherine Davies
Name: Jane Catherine Davies
Year of Registration: 1881
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Staines
County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 15 (click to see others on page)

have you details for her mother?birthyear or place?

Hello Michelle, have just found your site and wonder if you can help with baptismal record at All Saints Laleham, of my grandmother Jane Catherine Davies, born illegitimate believed in Staines Workhouse, 9.1.1881 to Catherine Davies. She was later fostered by putative grandparents and appears in 1881 census as a nursling and later in 1891 aged ten. I am anxious to find out (a) if she was baptised and if poss where she was before 1891. Any chance you could help with this? Many thanks, Mavis

hi michell if ever i need help you have been my life saver to find any thing you are just the best for giveing me any help or any one that has asked i am more than happy with what you have found and more than greatfull for your time you have put in a big hug and kiss thank you once again yours lesley

Willie

Looking at the 1936 entry the address registered for where they would be living at was-

Delny Ross-shire-Scotland

They arrived on the Montcalm ship on the 1st March 1936 into the Port of Greenock-Scotland they travelled 3rd Class.


James was aged 42 and listed as a Newsagents
the youngest listed was Fred aged 3.

Prob is Willie if they remained in Scotland i won't be able to help with BMD's.I only have Eng Wales BMD.

This site is a good site for Scottish BMD's you do have to pay to view.

http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/

If you have info that any of the family lived in England then i try and help.
My main area of research is the census era hence why i do not have so many records after 1920's.
I hope the Scotland site is helpful to you.


***MIchelle***

Hi Michelle,
yes I knew about the 1936 entry. This is my very close family, although I know very little about them.
They emigrated to Canada in the early twenties but came back in 36. My G/father and uncle are buried in Windsor. I have a year of death for my G/mother, (1991), location not known. My father William died in Dec 1990, again location not known. Whilst in Canada 3 other children were born, Isobel, 1926, Elizabeth, (Betty) in 1928 and Fred, 1933.
Would dearly love to find were they are buried and if Isobel, Betty and Fred are still alive.
Could you possibly do a search for deaths/marriges in England??
Many thanks,
Willie.

Willie

I only have access to Incoming records.Did you already have the info for the 1936 arrival?Also i don't hold access to World records so would not be able to access Candian records.
I do have Eng,Wales and Scotlands census records and access to parish info and BMD's.
Let me know Willie re that 1936 arrival.

***Michelle***

Lesley

Here is the maiden name you wanted for Jessie

Name Year of Registration Spouse's Surname District County View Image Order Record
View Record
Andrew Chandler 1868 Poplar (To 1965) Greater London, London, Middlesex
View Record
Jessie Russell 1868 Poplar (To 1965) Greater London, London, Middlesex

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about Andrew Chandler
Name: Andrew Chandler
Year of Registration: 1868
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Poplar (To 1965)
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 1215 (click to see others on page)


No obvious marriage for George so could be 1 of a few.To get Sarah's maiden name you will need to obtain a birth cert of 1 of the children they had.Then i can look for the marriage for you.They must have married before 1841 as they were together on the 1841 as married.

Hope that all helps you.

***Michelle***

Lesley

1861 Continued....

The Rochester family i believe live in the house next door and are not part of Chandler family.

George a Glass Maker
Andrew a Glass Grinder

Address 6 Duke Street

Lesley

Here is the 1861

1861 England Census
about George Chandler
Name: George Chandler
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1803
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland

Civil Parish: Poplar All Saints
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Poplar
Sub registration district: Poplar
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 50
Household Members: Name Age
Andrew Chandler 12
George Chandler 58
James Chandler 11
Sarah Chandler 48
Thomas Chandler 7
William Chandler 9
Lucy Rochester 4
Mary Rochester 44
William Rochester 34

1861 England Census
about Sarah Chandler
Name: Sarah Chandler
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1813
Gender: Female
Where born: Poplar, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Poplar All Saints
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Poplar
Sub registration district: Poplar
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 50
Household Members: Name Age
Andrew Chandler 12
George Chandler 58
James Chandler 11
Sarah Chandler 48
Thomas Chandler 7
William Chandler 9
Lucy Rochester 4
Mary Rochester 44
William Rochester 34

1861 England Census
about Andrew Chandler
Name: Andrew Chandler
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Gender: Male
Where born: Barking, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Poplar All Saints
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Poplar
Sub registration district: Poplar
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 50
Household Members: Name Age
Andrew Chandler 12
George Chandler 58
James Chandler 11
Sarah Chandler 48
Thomas Chandler 7
William Chandler 9
Lucy Rochester 4
Mary Rochester 44
William Rochester 34

1861 England Census
about James Chandler
Name: James Chandler
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Gender: Male
Where born: Poplar, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Poplar All Saints
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Poplar
Sub registration district: Poplar
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 50
Household Members: Name Age
Andrew Chandler 12
George Chandler 58
James Chandler 11
Sarah Chandler 48
Thomas Chandler 7
William Chandler 9
Lucy Rochester 4
Mary Rochester 44
William Rochester 34

1861 England Census
about William Chandler
Name: William Chandler
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Gender: Male
Where born: Poplar, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Poplar All Saints
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Poplar
Sub registration district: Poplar
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 50
Household Members: Name Age
Andrew Chandler 12
George Chandler 58
James Chandler 11
Sarah Chandler 48
Thomas Chandler 7
William Chandler 9
Lucy Rochester 4
Mary Rochester 44
William Rochester 34

1861 England Census
about Thomas Chandler
Name: Thomas Chandler
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Poplar, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Poplar All Saints
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Poplar
Sub registration district: Poplar
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 50
Household Members: Name Age
Andrew Chandler 12
George Chandler 58
James Chandler 11
Sarah Chandler 48
Thomas Chandler 7
William Chandler 9
Lucy Rochester 4
Mary Rochester 44
William Rochester 34

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Hi Michelle,
Would it be possible for you to carry out a check for an Elizabeth MacPherson. She was born in 1928 in Canada. The family returned to the UK in 1936. The only other piece of info I have found is she, (if it's her) and another Macpherson sailed from Southampton in 1949 bound for Halifax, Canda. Could this be my Aunt and who is the other Macpherson, (possibly my gran)?
Many thanks in advance,
Willie.